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post #1216 of 9344
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Originally Posted by fuzzyash View Post


i think litz silver and gold occ

Yep.

post #1217 of 9344
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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post

Yep.

When?

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Originally Posted by cogsand gears View Post

When?

The Litz is in production now, i tested 4 versions and finally decided on one that was a slightly larger gauge, and more then the 1% gold that is found in the SP.

 

Price will be considerable more then the SP, due to nearly double the final cost for bare wire.

 

Will be made available in 2 weeks.

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kimchee asked which iem cables are coming out, not which ones came out tongue_smile.gif
I know.but sometimes new things dont necesarely mean better..i was just giving an alternative tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post

The Litz is in production now, i tested 4 versions and finally decided on one that was a slightly larger gauge, and more then the 1% gold that is found in the SP.

Price will be considerable more then the SP, due to nearly double the final cost for bare wire.

Will be made available in 2 weeks.
I WANT biggrin.gif any idea when the list will be ready frank?
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Personally I think hifirookie should win the prize Frank .....I think 489 posts out of his 489 ....posted on this thread LOL

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Personally I think hifirookie should win the prize Frank .....I think 489 posts out of his 489 ....posted on this thread LOL
Thanks? biggrin.gif but thats not really true..lolz..i am subscribed to many threads that interest me....but ur right about one thing..this thread started it all...my active post life..lolz..as u guys (and girls) are so enthousiastic and franks products are...well..we all know the answer on that right..and frank himself is a great guy..and yeah..i bug the ones around me in trying franks products.. Is that a wrong thing to do? biggrin.gif does this mean i am a toxicable groupie? rolleyes.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/2/12 at 7:00am
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Those cables look stunning, Frank. You never seize to amaze. 

 

 


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Personally I think hifirookie should win the prize Frank .....I think 489 posts out of his 489 ....posted on this thread LOL

 

The way I see it, hifirookie just cost me a lovely free amp from audio-gd biggrin.gif. But it's great to see so much activity in this thread!


Edited by Staal - 12/2/12 at 7:19am
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Is random number generation fair if people post multiple times in the prize thread?

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Originally Posted by DamageInc77 View Post

Is random number generation fair if people post multiple times in the prize thread?

That's a point and i will look in to it.


Edited by Toxic Cables - 12/2/12 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Staal View Post

Those cables look stunning, Frank. You never seize to amaze. 





The way I see it, hifirookie just cost me a lovely free amp from audio-gd biggrin.gif . But it's great to see so much activity in this thread!
Dont u worry..i never ever won in my life any price..so i guess u have bigger chance then me..just look at who won the hm601.. I was number 1001! How more unlucky u can be? biggrin.gif but hey..am lucky in love and health tongue.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/2/12 at 11:41am
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Frank, picolino for T1's?  Also, CIEM cable choice in general for light and flexible with SP sound sig.....

 

Thanks!

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I was thinking of the silver poison for my LCD3s... but I ended up deciding on Plus Sound's EXO 26/50 silver with gold... WOW... really woke up those dark LCD-3s... yet still has 100% of the low end. Wondering how these new Toxic Litz wires are going to sound... looking forward to the list.

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Originally Posted by HiFi Guru View Post

I was thinking of the silver poison for my LCD3s... but I ended up deciding on Plus Sound's EXO 26/50 silver with gold... WOW... really woke up those dark LCD-3s... yet still has 100% of the low end. Wondering how these new Toxic Litz wires are going to sound... looking forward to the list.

sorry to log in here...and i cant help it..but here i go again...as u all guys know me by now...when i hear a comparision of some products which i have some ideas about i cant hold myself .i just have to reply on that...

 

oh yeah...kittycat u will have to wait for ur catnips..am busy biggrin.gif

 

oops sorry ...back to my initial post

 

u say u ended up chosing a Plus Sound cable? am curious about that..i will explain this further..

 

not so long ago as i was into the market for a new cable to replace my already good DHC cable for my he400 i had back then..as an inherited side-effect of my trade how i make my living as a procurement specialist i ALWAYS do a little market comparision of everything i buy (not only the products themselves but i also check the company who sells it and even about their reputation and experiences of customers, reviews and so on) ..and then i make a mini TCO calculation in a excel sheet form if possible  (TCO=total cost of ownership)

 

so i went through ebay and all the other canals one has available to search for info (yep also linkedin!)...u know the drill as u probably are a frequent buyer urself....and i came upon a couple of companies who sounded interesting to buy a cable from..to be honest Plus Sound was one of them ..and so was Toxic cables...as were Double Helix Cables and a couple of others..

 

and this is what i found about the difference between a 'regular' occ copper Plus Sound cable and one similiar one of Toxic cable (looking purely at the basics as we professional buyers look at if we cant feel/hear/see it personally) that i will use as an easy reference

 

this is the same cable i found not so long ago on ebay but with updated pricing of today (for honest comparision):

 

Plus Sound lists the folowing 4ft Hifiman copper cable:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-FEET-CUSTOM-CABLE-FOR-HIFIMAN-HE5-HE6-HE300-400-500-7N-UP-OCC-STRANDED-ECHO-/271102370825?pt=Other_MP3_Player_Accessories&hash=item3f1ef5e409

 
it costs $119 for a 4FT cable as we all can see ladies and gentleman..damn i sound like a quissmaster..lolz.., beerchug.gif
 
and here is the similiar cable of Toxic Cables that costs almost the same but is 6FT! (so 2 feet extra..my dutch genes are tingling here tongue_smile.gif) and also IMHO looks a bit classier (but thats personal! as i am sucker for sexy cables).
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HiFiMan-HE6-HE500-HE5-LE-HE4-HE300-6ft-Cryo-OCC-Stranded-Pure-Copper-Cable-/110947624754?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item19d4fe6732

as i already have a quality cable and wanted a real upgrade i went through the options..and i decided to go for the silver and 1% gold option (as i read that that would give a he500 a beautiful full sound) with clear sleeving on the Plus Sound list ..so that extra option (26AWG? as i saw the number 26 behind ur cable) for 4 ft costs another $115, which makes it $234.
 
when i checked Toxic Cables i found this little beauty: 6ft silver cable (26AWG) called the Silver Poison cable which costs $232 (still for a 2FT longer cable then the Plus Sound one)
 
and okay..i admit...money isnt everything.....(remember TCO?) so i checked the rest..and i found a lot more reviews about the Toxic cables and as far i know of i didnt find any about Plus Sound cables (but its possible i didnt check that thoroughly enough..as i said..i am not a professional reviewer.. am only expressing my own experience!!! never forget that!) and when i (to be honest by accident!) stumbled upon the Toxic cables apreciation thread and all the threads alligned to cables and even headphones (and trust me..i spend at least 2 days checking everything out..(i did that as i wanted to spend at least 350 dollars on a new cable!) and all i found was the utmost appreciation and broadest mouth to mouth advertisement i ever saw...i did came across a Plus Sound cables thread though..but only with a few posts..so that was a easy one for me..i get very cautious when not hearing/reading about products or companies (am not saying the products are bad...but i prefer to go with products/companies that have lots of followers,admirors, happy customers and good reviews and so on..u know what i mean)....
 
as far i can see Toxic Cables has made a reputation for building high quality cables for themselves in a very short time as big as u cant imagine! just read the thousands of posts! but i think u already know that as u found this thread urself so i suppose it made u curious also..right?..
 
yeah i know what ur thinking..and no i am not a member of the staff or anything..am not even paid for this (thinking about that...hey Frankyboy why dont i get paid for this?..grrrrr..deadhorse.gif.
and best of all ..i am not even english (happy me..oops..) ..i am a dutchman...and u know what they say about the dutch.. WE WANT THE BEST AND PAY THE LEAST FOR IT.... hope i didnt step on any big spending dutch feet now somewhere...by the way most dutch actually have big feet as they are huge eek.gif, i meant it ofcourse in spending money! 
 
like me and many others here..am not rich..the rig i have is not supersonic.. and have a high maintenance girlfriend wink.gif so i always try to get the best for my buck..and i love it when people love the look of my rig (look at my sexy 337..lolz) when i have visitors.. so a beautiful cable is a nessesity for me (as is its sound!)..so for me built quality, soundquality, esthetics and price (no particular order!) is important..
 
as i said...i decided to have a silver cable with some gold infused to it as it gives best of both worlds of copper and silver cabling and it was within my budget...and regretfully based on the facts i stated out just now the Plus Sound cable came not out as first choice..am not going to say here which came..as this is a Toxic cables thread...as i respect the common rules of NOT POSTING about other brands on brands specific appreciation threads...if i was to post on the Plus Sound appreciation thread i would do the same...as we are here all to enjoy music and respect each others opinions...
 
am almost sure if ur into a new cable again...u maybe wanna try a Toxic cable then...or u just buy one just to compare ur (as u say) special sounding Plus Sound cable (as i see many cable buyers do that!) and sell the worse sounding one..the price is comparitively low..and as far i can see..second hand quality cables are not to hard to sell..even in these times of crisis. wink.gif
and if ur lucky u can even win one for free..hooray...pity i never win something..no matter what i do..frown.gif but hey..i am lucky in love and health tongue.gif oops forgot...and in music gs1000.gif
 
well with this i finished what i wanted to say...again..i respect all opinions of others and i dont in any way wanna put any product or company in a bad light. but i just couldnt help myself in replying when u started saying u preferred another cable brand on this toxic cables thread...as if u knew in advance someone would say something about it..and surprise surprise....i did..lucky u...the crazy guy of the bunch biggrin.gif and i did it my way..a long way..but a nice way...as i am a nice guy...as we all know..bigsmile_face.gif
its 5:30am now..am going to bed now.for some 3 hours quality sleep...and then up for work again...if anyone is still awake..enjoy ur waking hours..wink.gif..may the force be with ubiggrin.gif

Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/2/12 at 9:03pm
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as far i can see Toxic Cables has made a reputation for building high quality cables for themselves in a very short time as big as u cant imagine! just read the thousands of posts! but i think u already know that as u found this thread urself so i suppose it made u curious also..right?..

For this reason I bought a SP from Frank. I checked out a ton of cable companies. Each one of them adds their person touch (finish, special sleeving etc) to the cables they sell and also take a different approach often times (shielding foils they use/don't use because of their research). So it's not always the easiest thing to compare them. But if you compare cables that are equally (or nearly equally build) it's easy to see that Frank is asking not those exotic prices other cable manufacturers do. I've played around for a couple of times to get myself a good solderding station, heatgun etc and make my own, but with these prices it's not really necessary any more (I might still do it sometime just out of curiousity and because I'd like to try it out but actually if you just need some cables it's not worth it comparing to buying some of Frank's cables).

 

Franks' cables (and prices) speak for themselves and that's also his philisophy, providing audio cables that feature craftmanship but also fair prices. As long as he sticks to it I don't see his business not working out. I have only starting posting in this thread a few weeks ago, but I've watched his progress from the beginning.

 

This new litz silver wire with the higher than SP gold content that will be available in about 2 weeks, how many strands does it have? I'm actually not sure a huge amount if necessary in order to sound well, but with more strands cables usually tend to be more flexible which is why I'm interested in the number in the first place. I actually wanted to get a cable with the new y-splitter when it's available, but now I'll have to wait till these are out for sure.

 

What sonic difference can you expect between the SP, this new litz wire with more gold content and a piccolino? Does it increase bass impact even more? In theory it should help to reduce crystal boundaries and transmit the signal quicker and (not sure about this 2nd part compared to high quality silver) fewer losses. But how exactly does this translate into sonic differences one can hear when using these cables?

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