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Objective: a more well-rounded headphone

post #1 of 47
Thread Starter 
Ok, so I want to cut down my collection a little.

I love the 831s for their fidelity.
I love the 250-80s for their enclosed portability.
I love the 770s for their "in my own universe" and wonderful bass
I love the 990s for their openness at times
231s are going in favour of the ksc-50s
990s will go because I prefer the 770s, even if my ears do get warm at times.
831s will go because they're just too revealing for my liking, too harsh for some of the music I listen to and just don't have the low-end that I like (again, usually depending on music)
250s will stay for sure
770s may go in favour of better all-rounder if I can find it.


I want something that's as musical or moreso than the 831s, but still retaining the bass response of the 770s and possibly, but not importantly, low impedance if I want to use them on the road.
Open/closed doesn't matter.


Here's the story:
I was sitting listening to a John Hiatt on my 770s and I thought to myself "his voice doesn't sound right" so I switched to the 250s and sure enough - bam, he went from sitting at the back of the studio to up the front at the mic, but the bottom-end of the music left the building.
Then I thought "may as well play around with EQ settings to see what effect that has" and sure enough, turn up 1, 2 and 4k and John was in front of the mic WITH his bottom-end on my 770s.

And then I felt wrong for playing around with EQ settings.
Of course, if I leave everything as is - I'm none the wiser, but now I've started playing.

Hi, I'm Snuf, and I've resorted to using the EQ.
post #2 of 47
Bottom end of the music?

If the 250s lack low bass, someone better tell me now before I buy them!

And no more fondling the EQ!
post #3 of 47
Have you thought about a Grado RS-1? It may have everything you're looking for. Match it with a good amp and you'll have a wonderful combo.
post #4 of 47
Xander, don't worry, I don't think you'll find the 250's lacking in the basement... I'm astonished by how much more bass I hear everytime i put them on. Mine are still new enough to me that I haven't spun through a quarter of my music library.

Snufkin, I must admit that I, too, use a bit of EQ... I pull back just a few dB at 1500 brcause I still find the upper midrange of the 250's a bit too forward... But I am trying to wean myself from it.
post #5 of 47
Thread Starter 
Ok, the 250s have nice bottom-end.. it's definately present and more accurate than the 770s, but it's just not as... slammin'


Some of the music I listen to requires a certain -physical- amount of bass, and I'm the type of person who likes to go to a nightclub and sit near the sub so I can -feel- the bass and -listen- to the music.

No, I'm not going to get the K1000s and a sub

I don't know about the RS-1 but the SR60s and SR80s are far to harsh for stuff like Frontline assembly or some of the various stuff I like.

I -really- like the 770s, they have perfect bass for my liking and perfect high-end, it's just that little hole around vocals for music that sometimes makes me worry - The Cure - Wish, a great example - it sounds like Robert Smith is singing through a pillow.. yet when I play something like Mirror Conspiracy it's all good.

The 250s have ample bottom end, and I don't recommend the 770s very often unless it's what people are after - trance/goa/techno/dance/industrial anything that has a beat/bassline and midrange/treble that may sound harsh sounds fantastic on the 770s.
But the 250s are generally all-round nicer, everything sounds good on them. But when I want to really FEEL the bass, I put the 770s on...

Bah, damn broad taste in music, why can't I just like one genre

[edit] shiss: maybe that's what it is - I've listened to the 250s a lot lately and the midrange on the 770s is a lot more laid-back.
hm.. thoughts
post #6 of 47
snufkin ...

What kind of EQ unit are you using?
I know 99% of head-fi guys cringe at the thought of introducing EQ into the chain, but I've wondered what a good EQ unit could do for my setup.

p.s. I have the HD600's (which I like) and I'm waiting for my 770's to arrive from Headroom any day now.
post #7 of 47
Thread Starter 
Actually, at the time of this revelation I'm running the headphones through my computer and using the soundcard EQ (TBSC) then hooked up to my amp.

Yeah yeah, I'm evil and bad for using my computer as a source, but it's where I sit most of the time, and it's where most of my music is (cds and high-quality mp3s).

Perhaps I'm just having a moment of doubt

Like I said, the EQ just let me bring some of the vocals that little step forward - sounds great on one track/cd, then I switch and go "eeeuuuugh!" which is why I'd rather not use the EQ - fiddling with it every time the song changes is stupid - it defeats the purpose of having good equipment.

Going to bed now... have to work in the morning! (23:19 here)
post #8 of 47
Snufkin: You haven't tried the DT531 and the DT250/250, yet, have you? I still think, these two are the most allround phones of the beyerdynamic bunch (I've tried the DT531, DT770Pro/250, DT990Pro/250 and both DT250s)...

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini
post #9 of 47
Quote:
Originally posted by Snufkin
Some of the music I listen to requires a certain -physical- amount of bass, and I'm the type of person who likes to go to a nightclub and sit near the sub so I can -feel- the bass and -listen- to the music.
ROFL, I can picture you doing that.
When ever I listen to music live, I stay behind the crowd away from the speakers. Reason being is that I let the sound soak up all of the surroundings and travel to me (I also don't like being crowded), giving it some added feeling. Up close, the sound is usually bright and muddy because it is so loud, but it thins out once it reaches me giving a smooth sound.
post #10 of 47
Thread Starter 
lini: no, I haven't had a chance to try either, I'll see if I can.

Audio&Me - I know what you're saying, if I go to a live concert I usually like to try and find a sweet spot, and it's generally away from the speakers so I don't get blasted by the high-end.

But with some types of music, I just like that physical presense.
post #11 of 47
Thread Starter 
LOL

I deserve a good slap across the head.

I forgot I unplugged my amp last night because of a rather nice thunderstorm that was floating around at the time.. I unplugged the amp from around 6 - 10:30pm, posted my message before it had warmed up

Tried my John Hiatt CD this morning and there he was up at the mic stand

My faith in the 770s has been restored.

*hugs his 770pros*
ow...
post #12 of 47
Yah, I like to feel and get in tune with every note in the music when someone's playing an acoustic or classical guitar.
post #13 of 47
Quote:
Originally posted by Snufkin
Ok, the 250s have nice bottom-end.. it's definately present and more accurate than the 770s, but it's just not as... slammin'
Some of the music I listen to requires a certain -physical- amount of bass, and I'm the type of person who likes to go to a nightclub and sit near the sub so I can -feel- the bass and -listen- to the music.


No, I'm not going to get the K1000s and a sub

I don't know about the RS-1 but the SR60s and SR80s are far to harsh for stuff like Frontline assembly or some of the various stuff I like.
I -really- like the 770s, they have perfect bass for my liking and perfect high-end, it's just that little hole around vocals for music that sometimes makes me worry - The Cure - Wish, a great example - it sounds like Robert Smith is singing through a pillow.. yet when I play something like Mirror Conspiracy it's all good.
The 250s have ample bottom end, and I don't recommend the 770s very often unless it's what people are after - trance/goa/techno/dance/industrial anything that has a beat/bassline and midrange/treble that may sound harsh sounds fantastic on the 770s.
But the 250s are generally all-round nicer, everything sounds good on them. But when I want to really FEEL the bass, I put the 770s on...
Bah, damn broad taste in music, why can't I just like one genre
[edit] shiss: maybe that's what it is - I've listened to the 250s a lot lately and the midrange on the 770s is a lot more laid-back.
hm.. thoughts
There it is, the hole you're hearing in the 770's is right there @ 3-4k.
Repeat after me... I NEED the AKG-K1000's WITH a SUB!!
post #14 of 47
Thread Starter 
Heh, yeah yeah I know :P

I KNEW you'd pop up and tell me exactly that kwkarth

I also take those graphs with a grain of salt, the 770 vs 990 is a good example - it shows a better ~3-5k response for the 990s, but my experience with them gave the impression of far more recessed 3-5k than the 770s.

The bass response for the 990s is certainly accurate though, once I got over the initial "whoa, that's a lot of bass" I changed it to "whoa, that's far too much bass"

I may like bass, but not THAT much!
post #15 of 47
Anyone tried taking the "grills" off of the 770's?
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