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post #31 of 59
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post  I don't think so.  AKG is not the first to have a BA/DD hybrid.  They also aren't the first to mount a driver in front of their woofer.  The DDMs have always had a smaller dynamic in front of a larger dynamic.  If you can do that you can put a cluster of BAs in front.  To me the 3003 is just AKG's natural progression from the novel potential of the K340 hybrid estat/DD headphone with improved coherency. 

 

Yeah, you're right --- I forgot about that; I was thinking more along the lines of their pushing the BA so far forward that it shares the same filter as the dynamic driver, which should be a kind of innovation, though I've never seen a SF5EB torn apart, or even a DDM torn apart --- I'm inclined to think the implementation should be slightly different.

 

Regardless, I don't think VSONIC would've proceeded with the GR08 if the K3003 hadn't come out, sort of like how HTC probably would've continued down the road of resistive touch screens and styluses if Apple hadn't come out with the iPhone.

post #32 of 59
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

 

Regardless, I don't think VSONIC would've proceeded with the GR08 if the K3003 hadn't come out, sort of like how HTC probably would've continued down the road of resistive touch screens and styluses if Apple hadn't come out with the iPhone.

 

Agreed on that.  What the competition does has a lot to do w/ product development.  Ever wonder why movie studios come out w/ two Volcano movies at the same time?  Two end of the world movies?  Two Snow White movies?  Yeah, $$$.

post #33 of 59

The GR08 actually looks almost identical to the K3003 though, except with red cables...I'd prefer it honestly had they taken a more original approach to the styling.

post #34 of 59

I think there is some confusion here, there were many other touch screen phones that did not involve stylus' (namely some LG's and pda type phones, Palm comes to mind) before the first iphone. What I think you guys mean is that, the iphone popularised the use of touch screen technology used in phones. Not to mention the 1st gen iphone that came out was a complete disaster, it wasn't until the 2nd gen that brought more functionality, ease of use and less restrictions to the table.

post #35 of 59
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

 

Agreed on that.  What the competition does has a lot to do w/ product development.  Ever wonder why movie studios come out w/ two Volcano movies at the same time?  Two end of the world movies?  Two Snow White movies?  Yeah, $$$.

 

LOL --- What? You didn't like Dante's Peak? tongue_smile.gif

post #36 of 59
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

Yeah, you're right --- I forgot about that; I was thinking more along the lines of their pushing the BA so far forward that it shares the same filter as the dynamic driver, which should be a kind of innovation, though I've never seen a SF5EB torn apart, or even a DDM torn apart --- I'm inclined to think the implementation should be slightly different.

Regardless, I don't think VSONIC would've proceeded with the GR08 if the K3003 hadn't come out, sort of like how HTC probably would've continued down the road of resistive touch screens and styluses if Apple hadn't come out with the iPhone.

We could just as easily say the same about AKG in regard proceeding without the brave souls before it. This is a slippery slope.
Thats what I've been saying all along, it's about implementation (but you used the word implementation which is a much better word lol), which ironically is Apple's specialty since we keep bringing them up (guilty frown.gif).

On a side note, I would loooove to hear the K3003 in all its glory biggrin.gif


Edit: what was wrong with Dante's peak? The soundtrack was epic for about 24 seconds when they flew over the volcano. Soundtrack is pretty terrible quality actually frown.gif
Edited by vwinter - 5/21/12 at 9:49pm
post #37 of 59
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

Yeah, it was just a generalization just to illustrate the idea.  Obviously we don't want to get into PDAs and touchscreens.

post #38 of 59
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Yeah, it was just a generalization just to illustrate the idea.  Obviously we don't want to get into PDAs and touchscreens.

I just wanted it to be specific. :)

post #39 of 59

I think the point is when Europe releases a $1500+ audio product someone in a high-tech lab in China is browsing the internet and thinks they can copy it at a fifth of the price, and if we were in their position some of us would do the same.

 

I was just reading about the Metrum DAC, someone said they erased the lettering on their DAC chips to protect their R&D.  Someone suggested Sony made the design of the EX1000 complicated to detract from fakes, which injured their EX700 and E888.

 

If someone copied the EX1000 with 99% the same sound and a red beats cable for $100 I think it'd be pretty popular, however that's not realistic, and Sony has already accounted for that by making the EX1000 in Thailand, cutting a few corners, and selling it for as low as $125 street price.

 

Ideally everyone should invent their own products, or copy->improve, not just copy.  Vsonic doesn't appear to cut corners though and someone working there has listening skill, so they're more in line with copy->improve.

 

For example, Sony never made a bio-cel IEM, and I'm not sure if anyone else has the swiveling nozzle design on the GR07.  The GR08 could be an improvement on the K3003, for all we currently know.

post #40 of 59
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

I think the point is when Europe releases a $1500+ audio product someone in a high-tech lab in China is browsing the internet and thinks they can copy it at a fifth of the price, and if we were in their position some of us would do the same.

 

I was just reading about the Metrum DAC, someone said they erased the lettering on their DAC chips to protect their R&D.  Someone suggested Sony made the design of the EX1000 complicated to detract from fakes, which injured their EX700 and E888.

 

If someone copied the EX1000 with 99% the same sound and a red beats cable for $100 I think it'd be pretty popular, however that's not realistic, and Sony has already accounted for that by making the EX1000 in Thailand, cutting a few corners, and selling it for as low as $125 street price.

 

Ideally everyone should invent their own products, or copy->improve, not just copy.  Vsonic doesn't appear to cut corners though and someone working there has listening skill, so they're more in line with copy->improve.

 

For example, Sony never made a bio-cel IEM, and I'm not sure if anyone else has the swiveling nozzle design on the GR07.  The GR08 could be an improvement on the K3003, for all we currently know.

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125!!!!!!! Please tell me where I can find them for that price.

post #41 of 59
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

I think the point is when Europe releases a $1500+ audio product someone in a high-tech lab in China is browsing the internet and thinks they can copy it at a fifth of the price, and if we were in their position some of us would do the same.

 

I was just reading about the Metrum DAC, someone said they erased the lettering on their DAC chips to protect their R&D.  Someone suggested Sony made the design of the EX1000 complicated to detract from fakes, which injured their EX700 and E888.

 

If someone copied the EX1000 with 99% the same sound and a red beats cable for $100 I think it'd be pretty popular, however that's not realistic, and Sony has already accounted for that by making the EX1000 in Thailand, cutting a few corners, and selling it for as low as $125 street price.

 

Ideally everyone should invent their own products, or copy->improve, not just copy.  Vsonic doesn't appear to cut corners though and someone working there has listening skill, so they're more in line with copy->improve.

 

For example, Sony never made a bio-cel IEM, and I'm not sure if anyone else has the swiveling nozzle design on the GR07.  The GR08 could be an improvement on the K3003, for all we currently know.

 

 

The EX1000 is made in Japan; the EX600 is made in Thailand. Both EX1000 & EX600 cables are made in China.

post #42 of 59

Sorry I meant Sony made a Thailand version of the EX1000 and cut a few corners like no magnesium alloy = the EX600.  It's sold for as low as $125 street price and more complicated to copy, all of this seems a bit strategic so no fakes would arrive.

 

The EX1000 uses LCP / Vectran and the EX600 / EX800ST most likely something else but the trio sound more similar than different, the EX700 used polyethelene and polyimide + magnesium alloy.

 


 

So back on topic let's find some info on the OXOO =)

 

http://tweets.seraph.me/search/%E2%80%A6%E2%80%A6oxoo

 

 

You can find the latest Vsonic news here - http://www.weibo.com/vsonicceo


Edited by kiteki - 5/22/12 at 4:05am
post #43 of 59
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

Sorry I meant Sony made a Thailand version of the EX1000 and cut a few corners like no magnesium alloy = the EX600.  It's sold for as low as $125 street price and more complicated to copy, all of this seems a bit strategic so no fakes would arrive.

 

The EX1000 uses LCP / Vectran and the EX600 / EX800ST most likely something else but the trio sound more similar than different, the EX700 used polyethelene and polyimide + magnesium alloy.

 


 

So back on topic let's find some info on the OXOO =)

 

http://tweets.seraph.me/search/%E2%80%A6%E2%80%A6oxoo

 

 

You can find the latest Vsonic news here - http://www.weibo.com/vsonicceo

 

Linky please about the Thailand EX1000, sounds like interesting stuff.

post #44 of 59
and the award for the most offtop topic I've recently read goes to....
post #45 of 59

I don't think this thread has been that off topic, especially compared to some of the other threads in the portables section. Up until a few posts ago the discussion was centering around trends in top tier universal IEMs of which the OXOO typifies. I think that's perfectly relevant, especially considering how little is currently known about the OXOO itself.

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