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There isn't much info yet about these IEMs, but what's known so far is thanks to ClieOS:

 

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There will also be another dynamic+BA model called OXOO, but it is going to be a limited edition and priced at around US$1600 (Yes, you are reading it right: One-Six-Zero-Zero). Actually this one is not intended for sale, and most likely going to be a showroom model for auditioning tour or promotional purpose, probably a prototype of concept / capability proving (like how Orpheus is to Sennheiser). A small quantity might go on sale, but it doesn't seem like VSONIC wants it to be a regular mass production product (hence the high price tag). That's all I know for now.
 
 

So, we can start expecting something exquisite from VSONIC sometime soon! biggrin.gif

 

 

 

 

No pictures or more info available so far, but I'll update this post as more is known...

post #2 of 59

Watch it be exactly like the AKG K3003 in sound quality, sonic characteristics and design.

 

With one difference, removeable cables.  Ahahahaha.  That would be a big middle finger to AKG.

post #3 of 59

The only way it would be a big middle finger to AKG was if you dropped the 1 from $1600 and it was a mass production model. Sounding the same plus $300 more for detachable cables is not exactly sticking it to them.

post #4 of 59

Oh dang haha.  I thought the AKG K3003 was 1500 USD.  Nevermind.  Yeah, I agree with you on that point.

post #5 of 59

They're probably not even gonna release these to the public though...

post #6 of 59
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For mass production dual BA+dynamic driver IEM at an affordable price, Vsonic is going to release the GR08 soon. There's also information that they will later release the GR09, a supposed 6 BA (?) IEM to be their top of the range IEM. So, this OXOO is going to be something else... rolleyes.gif

post #7 of 59

The strikes me as a statement model, much like the R10 was intended to be. Basically a company pulls out all the stops and releases a money-is-no-object demonstration of what they're capable of doing. Often times these types of products end up being prototypes or strictly concepts, so it's pretty cool when someone decides to put them on sale once in a while.

 

I'll probably get one if I can.

post #8 of 59

AKG's K3003 raised the bar with there ludicrous pricing on mere universal IEM's, now all the other companies are going to follow this trend. Very much like when AKG ceased production on there K1000 which was really the last high end headphone back then, years break, then bam HD800 comes out and then followed by the T1 and etc etc. 

 

If one company sets the ceiling for a product, all other companies will follow.

post #9 of 59
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AKG's K3003 raised the bar with there ludicrous pricing on mere universal IEM's, now all the other companies are going to follow this trend. Very much like when AKG ceased production on there K1000 which was really the last high end headphone back then, years break, then bam HD800 comes out and then followed by the T1 and etc etc. 

 

If one company sets the ceiling for a product, all other companies will follow.

 

AKG didn't raise any bars. Final Audio released their 1601 series of dynamic IEMs before that, which were price at twice the price of the K3003.  And before Final, custom IEMs were well entrenched in the $1000+ price zone. Why do we as head-fiers so readily accept customs when they have such prices, but not universals? The "craftsmanship" argument isn't really valid IMO.

 

In any case, the OXOO doesn't really follow the trend as I see it because it's basically a tech demo / prototype possibly being made available in a small quantity. Not sure how much the GR09 will be when it's released, but it will probably be closer to the K3003 than the OXOO. Also Sennheiser's upcoming IE800 which will be in the $700 ~ USD neighborhood.

 

The way I see it, customs sort of "pioneer" technology in IEMs often times, and universals follow suit behind them. We're just now seeing universals "catching up" to customs in terms of performance. Now we're seeing customs in the $1500 - $2000 range, so I think universals are only going to get more expensive unfortunately.


Edited by MuppetFace - 5/20/12 at 4:49am
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

 

AKG didn't raise any bars. Final Audio released their 1601 series of dynamic IEMs before that, which were price at twice the price of the K3003.  And before Final, custom IEMs were well entrenched in the $1000+ price zone. Why do we as head-fiers so readily accept customs when they have such prices, but not universals? The "craftsmanship" argument isn't really valid IMO.

 

In any case, the OXOO doesn't really follow the trend as I see it because it's basically a tech demo / prototype possibly being made available in a small quantity. Not sure how much the GR09 will be when it's released, but it will probably be closer to the K3003 than the OXOO. Also Sennheiser's upcoming IE800 which will be in the $700 ~ USD neighborhood.

 

The way I see it, customs sort of "pioneer" technology in IEMs often times, and universals follow suit behind them. We're just now seeing universals "catching up" to customs in terms of performance. Now we're seeing customs in the $1500 - $2000 range, so I think universals are only going to get more expensive unfortunately.

 

Actually AKG sort of did, I'm sorry to say as much as you like Final Audio, but they are not widely recognised and have very limited suppliers located around the world, if not possibly only in Japan (you can correct me on this). CIEM's are a different story, because they were originally intended for professionals and producer's that require the isolation and the sound quality provided, which eventually audiophile's (and normal consumers) started picking up as well, but over the recent year's the trend of pricing of the universal IEM's have been going up. 

 

"Now we're seeing customs in the $1500 - $2000 range,"

Actually CIEM's within this price range have been around for a long time, I paid both my arms (at the time) for a UE18 when it first came out and sold it to a member a long time ago for almost half the price I paid for, I don't want to provide specific reason's why but I lacked the funds for other thing's of interest at the time. The UE18 when they first came out, they were about close to $1800 (I didn't pay this amount). So I'am entirely not surprised that CIEM's are becoming slightly more expensive as newer technology are being developed evolving around drivers made and the quantity of them used, the workmanship, design and technical side of CIEM's being made, a lot of newer companies have popped up over the recent years like some of them Heir Audio and Thousand Song's whatever it's called (correct me) etc, furthering expanding the offerings of CIEM's to the general public.

 

They cost a lot more because more work are put into them, unlike universals being produced by cast and mold robot's (and possibly put together by engineers), CIEM's are made specifically and handcrafted for the users ear based on there ear impressions.

 

From a perspective as someone who started this audio addiction starting with low budget speakers and IEM's 6 years ago and this is my opinion is that, AKG decides to release a masterpiece, supposedly still mass produced universal comparable sound to some CIEM's (which a handful of those that own/auditioned it do not like) with similar pricing (since the market of IEM/CIEM's have expanded extensively over the last decade) and then you eventually will have other companies that will follow this trend as well, make an extremely brilliant designed IEM with questionable sound qualities and possibly low run mass production number's and most likely with a really high price tag, does it justify it? I don't know, but in my opinion no. You would get more people not liking the sound out of a $1k universal vs the sound out of a $1k custom (although some think the sound is negligible from going an existing custom to a more expensive one)

 

"so I think universals are only going to get more expensive unfortunately."

Exactly, glad you and I are on the same page regarding with this.

 

" Sennheiser's upcoming IE800 which will be in the $700 ~ USD neighborhood."

Yes and possibly bit more, some rumours floating around say's it will possibly be around $895 USD, I'm not surprised here with there pricing as Sennheiser has been around for a very long time. After hearing the subtle difference's between the IE8 and IE80, I wonder how much of a difference will the IE800 be over the IE80.rolleyes.gif

 

 

 

My 2c.


Edited by DefQon - 5/21/12 at 4:14am
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Actually AKG sort of did, I'm sorry to say as much as you like Final Audio, but they are not widely recognised and have very limited suppliers located around the world, if not possibly only in Japan (you can correct me on this). CIEM's are a different story, because they were originally intended for professionals and producer's that require the isolation and the sound quality provided, which eventually audiophile's (and normal consumers) started picking up as well, but over the recent year's the trend of pricing of the universal IEM's have been going up. 

 

You seem to be insinuating that the K3003 has mass marketability? It doesn't.

 

I'll be the first to admit FAD is ultra obscure. And I do like them, yes. That obscurity is part of the reason why. We're comparing limited markets to limited markets here however: the K3003 isn't going to dictate any trends outside of portable summit-fi, which is a small group within an already small group of people worldwide. If you want to get ultra-specific, IEMs like the Sennheiser IE800 will be more "bar setters" than something like the K3003. It's under the magic $1000 USD mark, so it's not just restricted to summit-fi. It'll come closest to bridging the gap between two disparate worlds I think. Before it the closest thing was the Phonak PFE232 to my mind.

 

Also the acceptance of CIEMs as viable devices for audiophiles is, itself, a trend. Just because they had a different application doesn't mean their introduction into the consumer sector is any less of a driving force than the increase in the cost of universals. It's just co-opting pre-existing technology.

 


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Actually CIEM's within this price range have been around for a long time, I paid both my arms (at the time) for a UE18 when it first came out and sold it to a member a long time ago for almost half the price I paid for, I don't want to provide specific reason's why but I lacked the funds for other thing's of interest at the time. The UE18 when they first came out, they were about close to $1800 (I didn't pay this amount). So I'am entirely not surprised that CIEM's are becoming slightly more expensive as newer technology are being developed evolving around drivers made and the quantity of them used, the workmanship, design and technical side of CIEM's being made, a lot of newer companies have popped up over the recent years like some of them Heir Audio and Thousand Song's whatever it's called (correct me) etc, furthering expanding the offerings of CIEM's to the general public.

 

They cost a lot more because more work are put into them, unlike universals being produced by cast and mold robot's (and possibly put together by engineers), CIEM's are made specifically and handcrafted for the users ear based on there ear impressions.

 

 

Actually CIEMs are going up in price, on average. The UE 18 Pro came out, what, in 2010? That's on the tail end of what I'd consider "recent" in this hobby. Before that point how many other IEMs could you name that cost over $1300? I know FitEar had a few. Now in 2012 I can think of six or seven off the top of my head, and a few more that are coming out. I'm not saying $1500+ CIEMs didn't exist several years ago, I'm saying that on average there are more today due to the audiophile market.

 

Think about it. How much CIEM technology does a stage musician need? It's the audiophiles that demand more and more drivers shoved into those little shells.


Edited by MuppetFace - 5/21/12 at 4:26am
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Actually CIEMs are going up in price, on average. The UE 18 Pro came out, what, in 2010? That's on the tail end of what I'd consider "recent" in this hobby. Before that point how many other IEMs could you name that cost over $1300? I know FitEar had a few. Now in 2012 I can think of six or seven off the top of my head, and a few more that are coming out. I'm not saying $1500+ CIEMs didn't exist several years ago, I'm saying that on average there are more today due to the audiophile market.

 

Think about it. How much CIEM technology does a stage musician need? It's the audiophiles that demand more and more drivers shoved into those little shells.

"You seem to be insinuating that the K3003 has mass marketability? It doesn't."

Yes and this I know, which I forgot to mention, but you should get a rough idea of what I'm heading towards. And neither will the IE800.

 

"Actually CIEMs are going up in price, on average. The UE 18 Pro came out, what, in 2010? That's on the tail end of what I'd consider "recent" in this hobby. Before that point how many other IEMs could you name that cost over $1300? I know FitEar had a few. Now in 2012 I can think of six or seven off the top of my head, and a few more that are coming out. I'm not saying $1500+ CIEMs didn't exist several years ago, I'm saying that on average there are more today due to the audiophile market.

 

Yeah and as I mentioned this is due to the fact there are more companies popping out, CIEM's becoming more mainstream then what it was year's ago, my post was a comparison of why the CIEM's are so expensive as they are handmade compared to generic cast molded universal shell's slapped together which my opinion is for that price your paying CIEM's are much more worth it if your keeping it in the long run (so excludes any final resale value as the shell is only for the user), which at that extremely high price point, I know for sure what I'm buying for such an amount isn't something I'd just like to sell 6 months later, otherwise an  irrational purchase it is (again applies only to me and possibly more other's).

 

I think there was few companies that were pretty expensive over $1k+ before Logi's offerings but these were CIEM's, Sensaphonic's definitely comes to my mind, before buying my UE18's, Livewire's had some $1k+ custom configured CIEM's at around the same time through 09 to early 2010? As with universal's I don't know many or any, but my first Shure SE500 PTH was almost half a $1k when I purchased it.

 

"Think about it. How much CIEM technology does a stage musician need? It's the audiophiles that demand more and more drivers shoved into those little shells."

It's just a better substitute or replacement what previous options provided.

 

For stage monitoring it's pretty much a huge advantage, I could ask few guitarist's from bands around here that I know personally how much of a difference or attributes a CIEM benefits whilst they are on stage, if you require a must answer?

 

 

 

WHY is headfi so laggy........


Edited by DefQon - 5/21/12 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post  For stage monitoring it's pretty much a huge advantage, I could ask few guitarist's from bands around here that I know personally how much of a difference or attributes a CIEM benefits whilst they are on stage, if you require a must answer?

 

Eh? I haven't spoken to any musicians, but I'm pretty sure they don't care about the difference between a JH5 and a JH16. As long as it has the response they desire in their position, whether it be vocalist, guitarist, drummer, etc. they're fine with it. I don't think any drummer believes that the JH16 is going to take his on-stage drumming to the next level over using a JH11 --- it's mostly the companies outfitting them with the latest and greatest, thereby pushing consumers to do the same.

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Actually AKG sort of did, I'm sorry to say as much as you like Final Audio, but they are not widely recognised and have very limited suppliers located around the world, if not possibly only in Japan (you can correct me on this). CIEM's are a different story, because they were originally intended for professionals and producer's that require the isolation and the sound quality provided, which eventually audiophile's (and normal consumers) started picking up as well, but over the recent year's the trend of pricing of the universal IEM's have been going up. 

 

"Now we're seeing customs in the $1500 - $2000 range,"

Actually CIEM's within this price range have been around for a long time, I paid both my arms (at the time) for a UE18 when it first came out and sold it to a member a long time ago for almost half the price I paid for, I don't want to provide specific reason's why but I lacked the funds for other thing's of interest at the time. The UE18 when they first came out, they were about close to $1800 (I didn't pay this amount). So I'am entirely not surprised that CIEM's are becoming slightly more expensive as newer technology are being developed evolving around drivers made and the quantity of them used, the workmanship, design and technical side of CIEM's being made, a lot of newer companies have popped up over the recent years like some of them Heir Audio and Thousand Song's whatever it's called (correct me) etc, furthering expanding the offerings of CIEM's to the general public.

 

They cost a lot more because more work are put into them, unlike universals being produced by cast and mold robot's (and possibly put together by engineers), CIEM's are made specifically and handcrafted for the users ear based on there ear impressions.

 

From a perspective as someone who started this audio addiction starting with low budget speakers and IEM's 6 years ago and this is my opinion is that, AKG decides to release a masterpiece, supposedly still mass produced universal comparable sound to some CIEM's (which a handful of those that own/auditioned it do not like) with similar pricing (since the market of IEM/CIEM's have expanded extensively over the last decade) and then you eventually will have other companies that will follow this trend as well, make an extremely brilliant designed IEM with questionable sound qualities and possibly low run mass production number's and most likely with a really high price tag, does it justify it? I don't know, but in my opinion no. You would get more people not liking the sound out of a $1k universal vs the sound out of a $1k custom (although some think the sound is negligible from going an existing custom to a more expensive one)

 

"so I think universals are only going to get more expensive unfortunately."

Exactly, glad you and I are on the same page regarding with this.

 

" Sennheiser's upcoming IE800 which will be in the $700 ~ USD neighborhood."

Yes and possibly bit more, some rumours floating around say's it will possibly be around $895 USD, I'm not surprised here with there pricing as Sennheiser has been around for a very long time. After hearing the subtle difference's between the IE8 and IE80, I wonder how much of a difference will the IE800 be over the IE80.rolleyes.gif

 

My 2c.

 

 

The UE18 was never close to $1800. It's always been $1,350, right from the start when it was first announced back in January 2010.

Some of the prices seen in Japan and Europe for customs appear to be much more expensive simply because often consumer products in these markets cost (much) more than in the US. The Westone ES3X, for instance, costs $850 in the USA, whereas the ES3X made in Europe (in Belgium) by Variphone costs a hell of a lot more. It is, in fact, customs from China that are much more expensive when you consider actual Chinese labour costs when selling these products within China. Since there's a market for these Chinese products outside of China, they're being sold at western prices, though cheaper so these Chinese manufacturers can compete with their western counterparts. Also, in the case of UM, their marketing has been very affective, offering more competitive western prices, group buys, free silver cables, etc. 

In the case of FitEars, you have some of the best workmanship in the industry, which also makes these products even more expensive due to the attention to detail (read QC) FitEars products are famous for.


Edited by music_4321 - 5/21/12 at 5:13am
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Don't you guys think you're going off-topic and derailing the subject of this topic? rolleyes.gif

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