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post #1636 of 1790

I don't know what you're talking about, I'm afraid.

post #1637 of 1790
Spirituality and philosophical talks in a science forum?

That is more than off-topic even for this thread
post #1638 of 1790

Don't you  read the posts in the "objectivists  cafe" They go into the realms of  phycology -read them again. Putting forward theories as to why human beings are  not complying with scientific theory and that science in relation to hi-fi is ""perfect""  and its humans that "not perfect" if they dont agree with the purely scientific view point and are therefore heavily criticised on a phycological level. Its time there was a "subjectivists cafe" giving back what is given out there.and sticking up for human beings which some here dont think they are.  

post #1639 of 1790

it really seems the subset I call the "naive subjectivists" are the ones with comic book super hero beliefs about their perception - the ones denying what it means to be human
 

Science tells us lots about the fallibility, malleability of conscious interpretation of our sense inputs, our memory of them

post #1640 of 1790
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it really seems the subset I call the "naive subjectivists" are the ones with comic book super hero beliefs about their perception - the ones denying what it means to be human
 

Science tells us lots about the fallibility, malleability of conscious interpretation of our sense inputs, our memory of them


You get my applause for this comment.  Bravo. 

post #1641 of 1790
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Don't you  read the posts in the "objectivists  cafe" They go into the realms of  phycology

 

Psychology is a big part of perception. What we believe we hear can affect what we think we hear, whether it's true or not. Contrary to popular opinion, psychology is a science!

 

Feel free to create a subjectivists cafe in one of the non-scientific forums. That's a fine idea. I'll donate some patchouli to the cause!


Edited by bigshot - 7/3/13 at 4:20pm
post #1642 of 1790
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Originally Posted by duncan1 View Post

Don't you  read the posts in the "objectivists  cafe" They go into the realms of  phycology -read them again. Putting forward theories as to why human beings are  not complying with scientific theory and that science in relation to hi-fi is ""perfect""  and its humans that "not perfect" if they dont agree with the purely scientific view point and are therefore heavily criticised on a phycological level. Its time there was a "subjectivists cafe" giving back what is given out there.and sticking up for human beings which some here dont think they are.  


Scientific theory about human hearing as it relates to hi-fi was based upon the response of human hearing to sound.  So this isn't humans not complying.  The science as far as it goes fits humans as that was how it developed. 

 

Now on the other hand, people claiming to hear things that aren't real just because they subjectively perceive them for other reasons is not failing to comply.  It is simply what happens to human perception under certain well known conditions.  There is a goodly amount of science on that aspect also. 

 

It actually seems duncan1, perhaps the misplaced idea of perfection is behind your viewpoint.  You seem to think human perception is perfect and infallible.  That is actually a not very human idea.  Scientists aren't out to dehumanize human beings.  Just unravel what can objectively be unraveled.  Humans are wonderful, incredible creatures.  Perfect they aren't, nor are their senses of perception.

post #1643 of 1790

the study of human psyche is science though....

post #1644 of 1790

If a tree falls in a forest ...

 

and no one is there ...

 

Does it produce a boosted response at 1.2Khz?

post #1645 of 1790

Don't you realize that the comments in "objectives" cafe are a phycology exercise     that is followed by a group of people and that by default that makes "objectivity" a philosophy and a philosophy is a "higher" esoteric belief.in something insubstantial.  followed by even more people. Its a case of what philosophy you believe in.I believe in human beings -robots will never reach the level of the spirit in man.that enjoys music and calms "the savage beast" and makes people more "at one" with each other in other words -quote from Rabbie Burns--that man to man the World over shall brothers be for all that--end quote. Its as far from being achieved now as it was in his day. 

post #1646 of 1790

Getting back to the practical, the only way to decide whether to listen to someone's opinion on anything audio is to compare your personal experience with theirs over time.

 

If you find a good match over time, then you can probably use their opinions as a guide in the future.

 

There is just too much "personal preference" in headphones for any shortcuts.

 

There are people who post in these forums with thousands of posts, who clearly know far more than I ever will about audio equipment, and whose opinions I find entirely useless because their ear does not match mine (no disrespect intended).


Edited by DrikTheTroll - 7/4/13 at 3:54pm
post #1647 of 1790
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And you have made it a neo-philosophical forum in many of your posts in  Head- Fi. If you can bring philosophy/ phycology   into Head  Fi -well I can AS WELL . If you cant answer with a rebut of my philosophical/spiritual comments then stick to technical hi-fi comments which I don't mind commenting on.   

 

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Originally Posted by duncan1 View Post

Don't you  read the posts in the "objectivists  cafe" They go into the realms of  phycology -read them again. Putting forward theories as to why human beings are  not complying with scientific theory and that science in relation to hi-fi is ""perfect""  and its humans that "not perfect" if they dont agree with the purely scientific view point and are therefore heavily criticised on a phycological level. Its time there was a "subjectivists cafe" giving back what is given out there.and sticking up for human beings which some here dont think they are.  

 

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Originally Posted by duncan1 View Post

Don't you realize that the comments in "objectives" cafe are a phycology exercise     that is followed by a group of people and that by default that makes "objectivity" a philosophy and a philosophy is a "higher" esoteric belief.in something insubstantial.  followed by even more people. Its a case of what philosophy you believe in.I believe in human beings -robots will never reach the level of the spirit in man.that enjoys music and calms "the savage beast" and makes people more "at one" with each other in other words -quote from Rabbie Burns--that man to man the World over shall brothers be for all that--end quote. Its as far from being achieved now as it was in his day. 

 

So what is it with you and the science of algae?

post #1648 of 1790

Maybe a new trend in modding?

 

Algae stuffed pads? Who knows how good the sonic properties might be!

post #1649 of 1790
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Originally Posted by duncan1 View Post

Don't you realize that the comments in "objectives" cafe are a phycology exercise     that is followed by a group of people and that by default that makes "objectivity" a philosophy and a philosophy is a "higher" esoteric belief.in something insubstantial.  followed by even more people. Its a case of what philosophy you believe in.I believe in human beings -robots will never reach the level of the spirit in man.that enjoys music and calms "the savage beast" and makes people more "at one" with each other in other words -quote from Rabbie Burns--that man to man the World over shall brothers be for all that--end quote. Its as far from being achieved now as it was in his day. 

Until you have command of the language, put a sock in it. 

post #1650 of 1790
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Until you have command of the language, put a sock in it. 

Ah! You speaketh of the sock mod
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