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post #106 of 1790
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Originally Posted by DNZGamer View Post


Yeah well seems like a lot of people just say outright not to trust reviewers who talk of dramatic cabling miracles. The only headphone I have that can be easily recabled is my vmoda m80. I would not mind testing this out myself if someone could recommend a cable that would supposedly contrast my current m80 stock cables. But to justify dropping the money for the experiment, please recommend a cable that at least looks nice so in the vent I don't notice a difference, I still end up with a nice fashion alternative.

 

What do you want to improve in the sound? I can't say silver cable will have the exact effect it did on my IE80s but it did add more treble sparkle and emphasis. Mid bass decreased and sub bass increased. The mid range was moved more forward. The sound stage slightly increased. Going back between a stock pair of IE80s I'm left underwhelmed and not impressed. When switching back to the IE80 with the cable things sound just right lol.


Edited by lee730 - 5/7/12 at 11:57pm
post #107 of 1790

Ignoring for a moment what probably is or isn't audible, just for some realistic perspective...

 

the kinds of differences we're talking about between cables are much much less than the differences between the R and L sides of most good headphones.  This suggests that the truly dedicated tweakers are better off spending a lot more time matching drivers, modding headphones, and so on (not to mention tweaks in software), compared to stuff that makes much less difference.

post #108 of 1790
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Originally Posted by Tilpo View Post

Could somebody please lock this thread?
This discussion isn't actually going anywhere.
Why? This is the Sound Science forum and we're discussing cables, as per the OP's request. This isn't off topic at all.
post #109 of 1790
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Originally Posted by mikeaj View Post

Ignoring for a moment what probably is or isn't audible, just for some realistic perspective...

 

the kinds of differences we're talking about between cables are much much less than the differences between the R and L sides of most good headphones.  This suggests that the truly dedicated tweakers are better off spending a lot more time matching drivers, modding headphones, and so on (not to mention tweaks in software), compared to stuff that makes much less difference.

 

Agree. Only if you know what you're doing, and what to expect.


Edited by proton007 - 5/8/12 at 12:05am
post #110 of 1790
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

 

What do you want to improve in the sound? I can't say silver cable will have the exact effect it did on my IE80s but it did add more treble sparkle and emphasis. Mid bass decreased and sub bass increased. The mid range was moved more forward. The sound stage slightly increased. Going back between a stock pair of IE80s I'm left underwhelmed and not impressed. When switching back to the IE80 with the cable things sound just right lol.

 

I don't want any improvement to sound. I want a cable with a drastic difference. I want to hear a difference, PERIOD and want the cables that will maximize my chances of doing so. 

I should mention within a reasonable price range... I think $150 is the max I would spend on a cable and if I am gonna spend that much, it better look hot as hell! I'm talkin' like chicks will want to come up and wrap their fingers around it type hot.


Edited by DNZGamer - 5/8/12 at 12:07am
post #111 of 1790
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Originally Posted by DNZGamer View Post

 

I don't want any improvement to sound. I want a cable with a drastic difference. I want to hear a difference, PERIOD and want the cables that will maximize my chances of doing so.

 


Well I've been hearing a lot of good things about Picolino cable. But it is super expensive. If you can get the actual cable yourself and DIY you could save a lot of money. I bet it's still exorbitant in cost regardless. I would think silver cable (not silver plated) would be your best bet and if you can get wire where you DIY you'd save a lot of money.

post #112 of 1790
Originally Posted by proton007 View Post

@DNZ

You do see that the cable forum is marked as DBT Free, right? Its a world of magic and fairies and elves.

 

Yeah, there are some fairies and elves in audio, talking about distant lands far away in their $1000 optical cables!

 

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So along comes the Knighthood of Charlemagne, to restore scientific rigour and justice!

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I don't think either side can find any common platform and tell the truth...

 

solution: need more scientific fairies!

post #113 of 1790
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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

Why? This is the Sound Science forum and we're discussing cables, as per the OP's request. This isn't off topic at all.
Not off topic, no, but not making much progress either.


Anyway, back to the actual OP;
I personally hate it when people are talking about cables in reviews of headphones/other equipment. Same goes for stuff like letting it burn in for hours before even listening to it once.
When I read stuff like that the reviewer at least in my opinion loses quite a bit of credibility. Doesn't mean I stop reading right there, but it does give me tendency to skip entire paragraphs and take the rest of what he wrote with an extra grain of salt. And with an extra grain of salt I mean that I'm very careful in any case due to the highly subjective nature of reviews. I can make conclusions on reviews by drawing reasonable correlations between them.

Too many people underestimate the psychological factors far too much. Expectation bias is a very real thing, and has extraordinarily large effects. It doesn't just affect what we hear; it can also measurably improve a medical condition. I don't see how people can think they are immune to it, when it actually affects everything everyone does.


If you ask me, what you ate for lunch probably has a bigger effect what we hear than changes in cables.
Or rather, what would have an even bigger effect is whether or not we even ate lunch.
Edited by Tilpo - 5/8/12 at 12:17am
post #114 of 1790
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Originally Posted by DNZGamer View Post

I don't want any improvement to sound. I want a cable with a drastic difference. I want to hear a difference, PERIOD and want the cables that will maximize my chances of doing so.

Try something fiber optic. You won't hear anything at all, but that is a big difference. biggrin.gif


Seriously fellas, if you'd seen the DBT tests I've seen and read the same studies on the limitations of human hearing, you'd all be cable agnostic too. I wish I lived in a world where they do make a difference, and I could change cables to tweak things and change the way music sounds. That would be incredibly cool. It just isn't objectively true.
Edited by Magick Man - 5/8/12 at 12:13am
post #115 of 1790
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@Lee

 

http://jaben.net/shopping2/Crystal-cable-for-custome-IEMs-powered-by-Crystal-Piccolino.html

 

What. The. Hell. I don't think I want to spend 7x the amount I paid for the m80 for these cables...................  Seriously, IEM cables? 

 

Just so we are clear, my headphones, the vmoda m80 is only $200. The cable you are asking me to test is over $1000. Can I not get a reasonable difference within $150? 

 

@Tilpo

 

That actually makes me wonder if all professional reviews should be done blind!


Edited by DNZGamer - 5/8/12 at 12:18am
post #116 of 1790

Originally Posted by DNZGamer View Post
 

@Kiteki,

 

I thought science already has proven people can perceive HUNDREDS of frames? The 60 frames was just a myth by marketers I think. It was never grounded in findings. In fact, science says that people do not perceive in frames to begin with.

 

Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

 

Supposedly 60 FPS is the threshold which is bs. I play FPS and 120 Hz is way better

 

Originally Posted by proton007 View Post

 

I think you mean response timing?

 

Response timing?  I'm talking about the perceptibilty of latency / input-lag which is typically averages 33ms on LCD monitors and is around 1ms on a CRT.

 

Refresh rate is another one, yeah.

 

 

@DNZGamer - As far as science is concerned with cables there is a lot of debate but impedance is clearly the most audible and will differ from cable to cable, there is also the possibility of making useless cables i.e. out of lead so they sound worse and cost $200 so they're perceived as better, get it?

post #117 of 1790
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Originally Posted by DNZGamer View Post

I don't want any improvement to sound. I want a cable with a drastic difference. I want to hear a difference, PERIOD and want the cables that will maximize my chances of doing so. 


I should mention within a reasonable price range... I think $150 is the max I would spend on a cable and if I am gonna spend that much, it better look hot as hell! I'm talkin' like chicks will want to come up and wrap their fingers around it type hot.

Give me $100 and I'll put a resistor (hm or maybe a capacitor) in the make you a cable that sounds different. With some more effort, you could achieve the desired effect with the correct cable geometry, without actually putting inside a resistor or something like that.
post #118 of 1790
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Originally Posted by DNZGamer View Post

@Lee

 

http://jaben.net/shopping2/Crystal-cable-for-custome-IEMs-powered-by-Crystal-Piccolino.html

 

What. The. Hell. I don't think I want to spend 7x the amount I paid for the m80 for these cables...................  Seriously, IEM cables? 

 

Just so we are clear, my headphones, the vmoda m80 is only $200. The cable you are asking me to test is over $1000. Can I not get a reasonable difference within $150? 

Exactly lol. I wouldn't spend that kinda money either. Of course I would love to hear what a difference it could bring but in no way in hell would I pay that premium lol. I hear you could acquire the wire yourself and save a lot of money but I'm not sure how you would go about getting just the actual wire in bulk.

 

That is why I said silver cable (pure not silver plated). I'm not sure where you would buy this in bulk but it would be much cheaper than buying from these vendors...

 


The link below may help. I'm not 100% sure though...

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Edited by lee730 - 5/8/12 at 12:22am
post #119 of 1790
Originally Posted by DNZGamer View Post

 

http://jaben.net/shopping2/Crystal-cable-for-custome-IEMs-powered-by-Crystal-Piccolino.html

 

What. The. Hell. I don't think I want to spend 7x the amount I paid for the m80 for these cables...................  Seriously, IEM cables? 

 

Just so we are clear, my headphones, the vmoda m80 is only $200. The cable you are asking me to test is over $1000. Can I not get a reasonable difference within $150? 

 

You can get an amazing difference for $25, read my posts lol.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Etymotic-Headphones-ER4P-ER4S-75-Ohm-Convertor-Cable-/280732730536

post #120 of 1790
Originally Posted by mikeaj View Post

Give me $100 and I'll put a resistor (hm or maybe a capacitor) in the make you a cable that sounds different.

 

Exactly, that's more audible than metal conductivity.

 

p.s. No use to buy a silver cable unless the 3.5mm jack is silver too, imho.

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