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post #91 of 348
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

Disagree again, Tony Rice and Los Lobos rock on the 800.   The T1 is unrefined and lacking dynamic contrasts and micro detail by comparison.  Oh well, it's clear we aren't hearing the same phones.  Maybe the colored, edgy bite to the T1 adds a nice Gradoesque flavor to electric guitar crunch some like better.

i like that grado-ness that the T1 seems to add, makes it funner. 

 

especially when it comes to rock music, i don't think its a genre where micro details are emphasized. i do regularly enjoy listening to evanescence through the hd 800s though, but thats because amy's vocals shine through on the hd 800s more.

 

of course, our preferences are different and either phone is already quite good. i just feel the HD 800 is better suited for other types of music.

 

also, i listen to the hd 800s on my WA2, you might be using a more dynamic sounding amp or just a better one overall. 


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 5/10/12 at 10:18pm
post #92 of 348

Adele on FLAC sounds nicer on HD800 or T1?

post #93 of 348

'HD 800 is a tad bit better, but shes still really good on the T1.

 

"Hiding my Heart" on HD 800/WA2 sounds quite good, as well as her entire live CD. 

post #94 of 348
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Originally Posted by ryder78 View Post

Adele on FLAC sounds nicer on HD800 or T1?

T1.  The HD800 shreds Adele's less than stellar mastering.  If that helps.  Still enjoyable content wise, just fair warning.

post #95 of 348
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As Anaxilus said, Adele and the HD800 isn't a good mix. 

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Adele on FLAC sounds nicer on HD800 or T1?

post #96 of 348

Will have to rip my Adele CD to lossless one day to give it a whirl and see how they compare now that I have both HD800s and T1s to listen to. 

 

I've been going through a Radiohead kick (OK Computer, Amnesiac, Kid A) this morning. They all sound REALLY good on the HD800s. The details, details, DETAILS. Radiohead's music is typically heavily layered with a lot of things to pick apart. There are things I just hadn't heard previously with the HD650s and Grado SR225i that I own. The HD800 just picked it apart and presented it in typical "audiophile" quality but made it enjoyable enough with the intricate layering of these albums. 

 

I switched gears to Alison Krauss' "Forget About It". The track "Maybe" is probably my absolute favorite in terms of female vocals (I could listen to this album allllllllll dayyyyyyyy longgggggg). I've heard this on ProAc floorstanders driven by Conrad Johnson gear which gave me goosebumps, as the sheer beauty of her voice washed over my whole being. (Can you tell I'm in love with her gift as a singer???) I didn't get quite the goosebumps that I initially got w/that CJ/ProAc system, but it was rendered cleanly and beautifully nonetheless. The bass guitar never quite gets as low as I expected. It may be that the Burson and the HD800 combination I'm using isn't capable of that. Heck, I'm probably not supposed to make these kinds of comparisons to the full 2-ch audio system but these are built-up expectations from the first time I listened to her.

 

Switching back to the HD650 and listening to "Maybe", again, the veil is there and it's a slightly "darker" rendition of the track but still has the depth and detail and slightly more impact in the bass guitars. I could live with this too!

 

I also just tried the T1s with this same track. Her voice is a bit tipped up to the point that it almost takes away from the beauty of her singing. The bass guitar is more punchy than the HD800s. This track I'll have to give the nod to the HD800s on overall presentation, quality. With a song like this, it almost makes me not want to pick apart things like details, layering, imaging/soundstaging, etc. So I don't address these things and try to outline the musical nature of it.


Edited by twizzleraddict - 5/11/12 at 10:28am
post #97 of 348
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Originally Posted by davidgotsa View Post

As Anaxilus said, Adele and the HD800 isn't a good mix. 

 

The entire album isn't good on any headphone I have. It's highly compressed and over mastered such that her voice's power doesn't ever really come through fully. It's overprocessed, despite the fact that the tunes are enjoyable enough. When I listen critically to it, it's just a pile of mastering mess. Since Rick Rubin is involved (he butchered the Metallica raw sound and made them "popular" with the Black Album), I'm not surprised. Good thing I don't listen to it often enough (it's the wife's CD tongue.gif) to want to subject myself to it via headphones. It's a great CD to throw on in the car, though!

post #98 of 348

I'm not sure how you could ever consider Adele's music highly compressed when mentioning Radiohead's music.  I enjoy Radiohead I really do, but their music is a prime example of compression.

 

Back to Adele, I find 19 to sound a good bit better than 21, even though 21 has a some really good tunes.

post #99 of 348
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Originally Posted by twizzleraddict View Post

The entire album isn't good on any headphone I have.

 

Well, it's like picking the lesser of two evils.  Microscopes are less forgiving than magnifying glasses.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

I enjoy Radiohead I really do, but their music is a prime example of compression.

 

That's somewhat album dependent as well even for them.  I do think there is less expectation when it comes to more modern types of electronic/rock music as opposed to vocal or acoustic oriented genres.  

post #100 of 348

Twizzleraddict,

 

Since you own both T1 and HD800 which happen to be in my shortlist, I would appreciate if you can let me know your impressions later when you have listened to Adele on both headphones. If you have Coldplay, particularly the X&Y album, I would appreciate if you can let me know if this album sounds better on the T1 or HD800. Currently X&Y sound a bit restrained on my Harbeth loudspeakers.

 

Thanks in advance.

post #101 of 348
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Originally Posted by ryder78 View Post

Twizzleraddict,

 

Since you own both T1 and HD800 which happen to be in my shortlist, I would appreciate if you can let me know your impressions later when you have listened to Adele on both headphones. If you have Coldplay, particularly the X&Y album, I would appreciate if you can let me know if this album sounds better on the T1 or HD800. Currently X&Y sound a bit restrained on my Harbeth loudspeakers.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

So what's 'better' and how are you defining it?  What are you looking for?  'Better' as in hiding flaws or 'better' as in being transparent to the same flaws?  Dynamics are something that's somewhat objectively discernable to a large part wrt headphones.  What isn't is how they interact subjectively w/ the source/amp chain in question which in that case isn't a real indication of the phone at all but what's in front of it.  I just think it would be more helpful to you to be a bit more explicit in what you are asking him.

post #102 of 348
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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

 

That's somewhat album dependent as well even for them.  I do think there is less expectation when it comes to more modern types of electronic/rock music as opposed to vocal or acoustic oriented genres.  

 

 

Eh they're all pretty heavily compressed, no matter the album.

post #103 of 348

Better = overall more enjoyable. If the HD800 is exposing more flaws than the T1 in rendering the music to be unlistenable, the T1 is then better in this regard.

 

I don't think the above needs to be explained everytime someone asked this question.

post #104 of 348
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Eh they're all pretty heavily compressed, no matter the album.

 

Well, there's bad and then worse.  >.<

 

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=radiohead&sort=dr&order=desc

 

Here's Adele:

 

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=adele&search_album=

post #105 of 348
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Originally Posted by ryder78 View Post

Better = overall more enjoyable. If the HD800 is exposing more flaws than the T1 in rendering the music to be unlistenable, the T1 is then better in this regard.

 

I don't think the above needs to be explained everytime someone asked this question.

Alright then the HD555 sounds best.  Just trying to help, looks like you've got it all under control.  GL.

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