So the LCD2s have better 30hz AND 300hz square waves than the HD800, while the HD 800s are merely average (and more expensive).
Regarding your 100-20hz even look at a joke of a headphone - Monster beats tour - less distortion below 100hz to 20hz AND less distortion in its phase heh.
Again, the entire point of my argument here is that the HD 800s are painful for electronic music, the distortion and square waves just don't lie.
The HD800s are grossly overrated considering the performance for electronic music and considering the price.
Your waterfall does not address the easily distorted bass and painful highs either (but it does highlight a 5-6khz peak where the ear is very sensitive).
Do you even bother reading my responses? There is more to having a conversation on Head-fi than posting and waiting to post. Reading is a big part too. Based on your response, I'll assume you haven't read the links I recommended as good starting points either.
1.) I asked for better 30Hz square wave responses that weren't the LCD-2/3? They are the best I've seen. No one will argue that. But please show me another headphone with a clearly better response here?
2.) No, the HD800s actually have a better 300Hz square wave response. You will notice the two large pronouced double bumps on the LCD-2 and LCD-3 (and HE-6s for that matter). Whereas on the HD800s its one single spike and then settles right down. That pronounced double bump is what is collapsing the sound staging of these orthos in comparison to the brilliant imaging of the HD800s. That's also the reason why the LCD-3's have better imaging than the LCD-2s; where that that second "spike" is less pronounced on the LCD-3s in comparison. Tyll mentioned that he thinks the listener is hearing the same information twice with these double bumps and thus the imaging suffers for it. Sorry, but claiming otherwise is simply incorrect. To date, I have not seen a better 300 or 500Hz response, nor a headphone that images like these headphones.
3.) I have asked you twice (and olor1n once) what the upfront gear you heard the HD800s was? Without that, your comments are leaving us hanging with little ability to relate to your experiences. Feed them with starter FiiO gear and low bitrate music and all you'll hear the limitations of your dac/amp/source. That is the rub with highly transparent headphones like the HD800s...they really show you what "issues" you have upstream. Do some reading on the months and years (and $$$) people have spent to really get them to were they can be.
4.) The waterfall addresses how clean the HD800s are throughout the frequency spectrum are and how they have basically no treble ringing (a common plague of headphones today). The waterfall actually contains more information than you think.
5.) Your comments of distortion are still unfounded. And now it appears that you're grasping comparing IEMs to full sized headphones. Please so me better headphones with less distortion? BTW, here's anther measurement from Headroom:
Pretty darn good.
Edited by MacedonianHero - 12/10/12 at 3:00pm