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post #181 of 304
12/7/12 at 1:25am

Aftermarket cables can make a difference (not necessarily better). However, they are all extremely overpriced. I suspect that non of the $300+ aftermarket cables will have a production cost of more than $10. This is similar to the market of fragrances. The nature of the demand side makes it super profitable for the supply side.


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post #182 of 304
12/7/12 at 3:59am
econparanoia: quit spamming!
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post #183 of 304
12/7/12 at 5:49am
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econparanoia: quit spamming!

Hey, I don't see anything inappropriate with my post. It's just my opinion. Sorry if that makes you feel bad on your purchase of any expensive aftermarket cables. It's just demand and supply. There is nothing wrong when the equilibrium price is much above the producer's marginal cost. 

 

Learn some economics and learn to be polite to other's opinion.

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post #184 of 304
12/7/12 at 6:41am

You bumped a 7 month old thread...

 

While I do think most cables are overpriced, you're highly underestimating the cost of making one. $10 gets you like...a foot of silver cable.

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post #185 of 304
12/7/12 at 7:55am

I am new here, and happened to see this thread while considering upgrade the stock cable of HD800s to either a Q cable or a Black Dragon V2. I guess I did underestimated the cost a bit. Anyway, I might end up buying one of these overpriced cables as this is how the market works. Any comments/suggestions on the choice between the two cables?

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post #186 of 304
12/7/12 at 10:31am
econparanoia: you made the same post in like 4 different threads.
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post #187 of 304
12/7/12 at 10:44am

By saying "better" are we speaking objectively or subjectively?

The HD800 are too bright IMO and have rolled off bass, which makes it literally painful to listen to electronic music.

The LCD2 and 3 (very similar freq response and every single measurement possible, maybe the LCD3's have a bit more treble and flatter to 2khz instead of 1khz like the LCD2) are a pretty neutral can but do have a rolloff sounding dark.

Hifiman headphones have spikes at around 10khz which some can find cause a bit of fatigue.

 

What type of music do you listen to? Most of my time spent is listening to electronic stuff, therefore I require (at least) flat response in the sub bass area and prefer a boost (hence my DT770s). However for something like classical where you are trying to reproduce the event itself (as flat as possible) you have to pick your poison - Roll off after 2khz from the audeze or the lack of bass and bright "detailed" highs from HD800s.

 

Hope this helps.

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post #188 of 304
12/7/12 at 11:22am
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I am new here, and happened to see this thread while considering upgrade the stock cable of HD800s to either a Q cable or a Black Dragon V2. I guess I did underestimated the cost a bit. Anyway, I might end up buying one of these overpriced cables as this is how the market works. Any comments/suggestions on the choice between the two cables?
If u do are into the cost saving thing..why u mention those cable makers then? Those are not the cheapest for what they offer..as far i read they are good..but maybe..just maybe..if u are straight with ur opinions u should start checking toxic cables..? They make excellent cables for prices u wont believe.. biggrin.gif

Just a tip..pls..be a bit more original then copy-paste ur posts.. biggrin.gif
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post #189 of 304
12/7/12 at 4:57pm
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If u do are into the cost saving thing..why u mention those cable makers then? Those are not the cheapest for what they offer..as far i read they are good..but maybe..just maybe..if u are straight with ur opinions u should start checking toxic cables..? They make excellent cables for prices u wont believe.. biggrin.gif
Just a tip..pls..be a bit more original then copy-paste ur posts.. biggrin.gif

Hifimanrookie, thanks a lot for the tips on cables. I will definitely check the toxic cables. Also, thanks for the other tip on posting biggrin.gif

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post #190 of 304
12/7/12 at 5:00pm
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econparanoia: you made the same post in like 4 different threads.

3, actually. Just wanted to have more discussion, sorry for being a bit annoying...  

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post #191 of 304
12/7/12 at 5:04pm
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3, actually. Just wanted to have more discussion, sorry for being a bit annoying...  
Thats ok..i think that i speak for most of us headfi'ers when i say: we forgive u biggrin.gif
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post #192 of 304
12/7/12 at 5:21pm
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By saying "better" are we speaking objectively or subjectively?

The HD800 are too bright IMO and have rolled off bass, which makes it literally painful to listen to electronic music.

The LCD2 and 3 (very similar freq response and every single measurement possible, maybe the LCD3's have a bit more treble and flatter to 2khz instead of 1khz like the LCD2) are a pretty neutral can but do have a rolloff sounding dark.

Hifiman headphones have spikes at around 10khz which some can find cause a bit of fatigue.

 

What type of music do you listen to? Most of my time spent is listening to electronic stuff, therefore I require (at least) flat response in the sub bass area and prefer a boost (hence my DT770s). However for something like classical where you are trying to reproduce the event itself (as flat as possible) you have to pick your poison - Roll off after 2khz from the audeze or the lack of bass and bright "detailed" highs from HD800s.

 

Hope this helps.

 

The HD800 is great for electronic music IMO and delivers excellent bass when called for. I prefer it to the LCD-2 for this genre (and pretty much everything else for that matter). Have you actually heard these headphones?

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post #193 of 304
12/7/12 at 10:48pm
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The HD800 is great for electronic music IMO and delivers excellent bass when called for. I prefer it to the LCD-2 for this genre (and pretty much everything else for that matter). Have you actually heard these headphones?
Yes, I couldn't justify even spending 200 on them. Not my style, btw bass is in fact rolled off on them - look at freq response.
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post #194 of 304
12/7/12 at 10:52pm
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Yes, I couldn't justify even spending 200 on them. Not my style, btw bass is in fact rolled off on them - look at freq response.

 

LOL?

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post #195 of 304
12/7/12 at 10:58pm
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The HD800 is great for electronic music IMO and delivers excellent bass when called for. I prefer it to the LCD-2 for this genre (and pretty much everything else for that matter). Have you actually heard these headphones?
Yes, I couldn't justify even spending 200 on them. Not my style, btw bass is in fact rolled off on them - look at freq response.

 

I don't believe you. wink.gif It's fine to prefer a different signature, but the absurdity of this statement makes your claim very suspect. How long did you spend with the HD800 and what source and amp did you have upstream? What music did you listen to?

 

Also, why would I bother looking at graphs, when I can just reach for the headphone stand and listen to these headphones?

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