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post #76 of 947

I don't see why all the hate for touchwiz. You van always delete it and use something else - with amazing launchers like Apex which can give you the stock ICS look but with a lot of customization option why people still complain? Also, I don't see why someone will use an android phone and won't use a custom kernel to get root acces and all the freedom to do whatever you want with apps, cpu, governers , schedulers and so on. My first job when a friend gives me his android phone is to do that and remove all the junk in the system partition, including the touchwiz if it is a galaxy phone.

post #77 of 947
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
I don't see why all the hate for touchwiz. You van always delete it and use something else - with amazing launchers like Apex which can give you the stock ICS look but with a lot of customization option why people still complain? Also, I don't see why someone will use an android phone and won't use a custom kernel to get root acces and all the freedom to do whatever you want with apps, cpu, governers , schedulers and so on. My first job when a friend gives me his android phone is to do that and remove all the junk in the system partition, including the touchwiz if it is a galaxy phone.

I know i dont get it either...if you dont root your not getting the full android experience!

 

I think allot of people are scared that their going to turn their new phone into a $600 brick as you do here these rare few cases where someone cocks up haha 

 

Its an extermely easy process though if you can follow instructions lol...you need literally no tech experiance at all haha and in most cases all you need to do is download something and push a button lol 


Edited by danny93 - 5/10/12 at 8:22am
post #78 of 947

Well, the galaxy s phones are like totally unbrickable - I don't know what someone can do to them to brick them. I've been on the android forum for years helping people and there is always a solution to fix the phone. I've literally flashed my SGS hundreds of times with all kinds of custom ROMs and kernels and have flashed friends' SGSs and SGS2s and I still haven't found a way to turn them into a brick.


Edited by kova4a - 5/10/12 at 8:24am
post #79 of 947

CRAP

 

US Version will sport Qualcomm S4, same processor as the US versions of the HTC One. If they are using the same full chipset that's used in the One, it will not include the Wolfson DAC.

post #80 of 947
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

CRAP

 

US Version will sport Qualcomm S4, same processor as the US versions of the HTC One. If they are using the same full chipset that's used in the One, it will not include the Wolfson DAC.

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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post

Well, the galaxy s phones are like totally unbrickable - I don't know what someone can do to them to brick them. I've been on the android forum for years helping people and there is always a solution to fix the phone. I've literally flashed my SGS hundreds of times with all kinds of custom ROMs and kernels and have flashed friends' SGSs and SGS2s and I still haven't found a way to turn them into a brick.

I know i even had my battery die on my old HTC Hero whilst installing a ROM  and that was still no problem after a complete wipe LOL 


Edited by danny93 - 5/10/12 at 8:43am
post #81 of 947

Well, it's 100% impossible to brick the SGS phones while flashing a custom ROM or kernel even if the battery dies or the process is somekind interrupted. The only way you can get a harder to fix issue is if the phone or the connection dies in the exact moment when the bootloader is flashed when flasing a stock samsung ROM. I guess that's why Samsung kept the buttons under the screen in SGS3 - to keept the option of easy acces to recovery or download mode with the 3-button combos, so the phone ramains easy to flash or fix and I was really happy when I saw the home button in SGS3.

post #82 of 947
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You guys crack me up, while I'll grant you it's very difficult to brick the Samsung handsets (and near impossible if you do your due diligence and read around the process and follow instructions),  it is certainly possible. I wouldn't go suggesting there is no risk, that only encourages people who don't know enough to rush in and expose themselves to risk (then they annoy people like me by coming crying for help).

post #83 of 947
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You guys crack me up, while I'll grant you it's very difficult to brick the Samsung handsets (and near impossible if you do your due diligence and read around the process and follow instructions),  it is certainly possible. I wouldn't go suggesting there is no risk, that only encourages people who don't know enough to rush in and expose themselves to risk (then they annoy people like me by coming crying for help).


This.  I personally know of at least one Samsung Fascinate and one Droid Charge that were hard-bricked.  They would not power on or go into download mode at all.  I have personally soft-bricked my Droid Charge in the past though.

Words of advice:  NEVER remove the .MD5 extension from a file you are going to Flash in Odin.  Also, NEVER use the "phone" button in Odin, you must use the "PDA" button, even with radio files.  Also, NEVER flash something from another phone to your device.  If you have to ask if it works, then you shouldn't be doing it.  Double check that file you are about to flash is known to be working with your device...


Edited by headfinoob - 5/10/12 at 1:46pm
post #84 of 947

Actually, Samsung leaked an ICS kernal for the Note that has been hardbricking a small percentage of the phones using it.  You could do everything right and just get very unlucky.

post #85 of 947

I find that hard to believe. It may softbrick them and lead to bootloops and missing recovery but I can't see how a kernel can be hardbricking phones as it does nothing to the bootloaders to break the download mode unless it's some kind of kernel that fries the internals of the phone. Also, I never suggested that people should start flashing until they read a little bit about the whole process or at least they are sure they're using the right version of odin and the right firmware version for their phones. From my long experience in the android forums the only hardbricked phones were the one with hardware issues. Yeah, there are a lot of people that flash without any knowledge and after that they start crying in all the threads but there is always a way to fix the problem. Unlucky is if the bootloader isn't flashed properly due to loss in connection or sth and even a Jig can't get you in download mode but I can't recall of reading about such an issue in the forums. Anyway, a backup of your efs folder and a jig usb are enough to get you through anykind of issues with the samsung phones that I can think of

post #86 of 947
I'm sorry I'm going to sound like a grumpy old blow-hard but there is such an unfounded love for the Wolfson it's ridiculous. It's a great chip, does what it says on the tin, but there are many other factors in the circuit that can and will effect the sound equally. I'm not a novice, I work in electronics for a living and was actively involved over at XDA regarding the SG2. Take a 'great' DAC and impliment it poorly and the resulting sound will be just as bad as a 'poor' DAC. The fact the SG3 has a Wolfson does not immediately grant it a great output...sorry.

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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

CRAP

US Version will sport Qualcomm S4, same processor as the US versions of the HTC One. If they are using the same full chipset that's used in the One, it will not include the Wolfson DAC.

Shame....so you will be getting what GSMArena describe as 'delivers the cleanest output we have seen from any device so far. '

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_s-review-746p5.php

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post #87 of 947
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Originally Posted by NuckinFutz View Post

I'm sorry I'm going to sound like a grumpy old blow-hard but there is such an unfounded love for the Wolfson it's ridiculous. It's a great chip, does what it says on the tin, but there are many other factors in the circuit that can and will effect the sound equally. I'm not a novice, I work in electronics for a living and was actively involved over at XDA regarding the SG2. Take a 'great' DAC and impliment it poorly and the resulting sound will be just as bad as a 'poor' DAC. The fact the SG3 has a Wolfson does not immediately grant it a great output...sorry.
Shame....so you will be getting what GSMArena describe as 'delivers the cleanest output we have seen from any device so far. '
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_s-review-746p5.php
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Well, I can't agree with you. All the Samsung devices that have the wolfson DAC sound better than the rest - it's not just the SGS or Nexus S. Samsung have already  used wolfson and they know what they are doing - I can't think of a android device on the market that has wolfson (no matter if its phone, tablet and even if its from samsung) that has bad implementation of the DAC. SGS2 was a different thing - they just used badly designed yamaha DAC and no emi shielding at all and thus there was nothing that could be done to improve it. The same goes for phones like the Galaxy Nexus - a good Texas Instruments DAC but no DSP functionality - that's not a bad implementation but DAC's limitation. Of course, one can only wonder who decides what they will use in the phones and who in the right mind can take such bad decisions when designing the flagship of the company. 

post #88 of 947
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Originally Posted by nnotis View Post

Actually, Samsung leaked an ICS kernal for the Note that has been hardbricking a small percentage of the phones using it.  You could do everything right and just get very unlucky.

 

True, although it's the whole ROM package with kernel that causes issues - it was for the Chinese i9220 (which is clocked differently) and repacked for the international version. Known risk of hard brick.

 

In relation to the Wolfson not guaranteeing great sound quality that is true, depends on the implementation, placement in relation to other components, RF shielding etc etc. That's why some Tegra 2 devices (which all have Wolfson) don't sound as good as others. That said it certainly is an indication of a likely improvement over the S2/Note, and in particular is confirmed for Voodoo support, which means SQ will likely exceed the stock SQ. Enough to positive about.

post #89 of 947
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post

Well, I can't agree with you. All the Samsung devices that have the wolfson DAC sound better than the rest - it's not just the SGS or Nexus S. Samsung have already  used wolfson and they know what they are doing - I can't think of a android device on the market that has wolfson (no matter if its phone, tablet and even if its from samsung) that has bad implementation of the DAC. SGS2 was a different thing - they just used badly designed yamaha DAC and no emi shielding at all and thus there was nothing that could be done to improve it. The same goes for phones like the Galaxy Nexus - a good Texas Instruments DAC but no DSP functionality - that's not a bad implementation but DAC's limitation. Of course, one can only wonder who decides what they will use in the phones and who in the right mind can take such bad decisions when designing the flagship of the company. 

Well the SGS wasn't regarded as 'great' until voodoo'd and LG Optimus 2X is rather average...both of which are Wolfson.

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The Iphones have always been highly regarded and they use Cirrus Logic and yet there doesn't seem to be the same fan club for them.

SG2's main issue with noise was locating the audio chip directly opposite the CPU, without access to the PCB gerbers I cannot tell you if they attempted to shield it internally. Your assumption of a badly designed Yamaha DAC is an assumption only, poorly implemented yes.

Look I understand the wall I'm banging my head against, but in the event the SG3 doesn't turn out that great for audio don't blame Wolfson...blame Samsung.
Edited by NuckinFutz - 5/10/12 at 3:18pm
post #90 of 947
Thread Starter 

Agree with NuckinFutz entirely, but careful NuckinFutz, speaking the truth in these forums isn't always appreciated.

 

The 2x is well known to be worse than other Wolfson DAC Android's because of the implementation, and over the weekend I had occasion to listen to a Motorola Photon (Tegra 2/Wolfson) and noted quite a lot of hiss likely related to CPU that I simply don't hear on a Voodoo'd SGS1. There is more to it than simply which DAC is used.

 

To the people disagreeing, no reason to take just our word for it - ask Supercurio and he'll tell you.


Edited by NZtechfreak - 5/10/12 at 3:21pm
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