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post #31 of 42

The dacmagic is absolutely harsh.  If there is any sibilance in the recording it's going to exaggerate it, but I also said my speakers were part of the issue.

 

Moving from a dacmagic to a Rega dac greatly reduced the sibilance produced by my speakers.  Not until I moved to Focal speakers with Beryllium tweeters did the issue get under control.

 

 

When I moved from the Rega to the Yulong, things got even smoother in the top end but with way more body, punch and detail.

 

Making a generalization about all Sabre 32 DACs being weightless and harsh is just that a generalization.

 

The proof can be found here, if anything people dish the D18 for being too warm:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/586153/yulong-sabre-d18-thread-reviews-impressions-discussion-full-review-added-2-5

 

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Edited by DrTone - 5/5/12 at 10:39am
post #32 of 42
Thread Starter 

Hmmm why are there such contrasting opinions... Are you SURE it is not just your speakers or your perception? Why are you saying it is harsh and everyone else saying it is good.

post #33 of 42
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Hmmm why are there such contrasting opinions... Are you SURE it is not just your speakers or your perception? Why are you saying it is harsh and everyone else saying it is good.

 

 

A google search tells me I'm not the only one.

 

 

But that said, everyone's opinion is different and really depends on what it's being compared to.

post #34 of 42
Thread Starter 

Can you link me to this? A google search for the dacmagic brings up mostly positive comments?
 

post #35 of 42

Sure the source file certainly has quite a bit to do with it.  For instance, the re-issue of the 180g Marvin Gaye Let's Get it On LP has a ton of sibilence that is just inherent within the album.  But that is the only album that I've come across that exhibits such a problem.  My main system (digital setup) is a Sonos via coax, Synthesis Matrix DAC, Western Electric 124b mono amps, feeding Western Electric 753c speakers.  If the system encounters sibilence from the source file it is certainly audible, but it seems rare that albums have this problem and it certainly isn't inherent in the equipment.  Consequently, before this setup I had a Benchmark DAC, Woo Audio 6 headphone amp with AKG 701 and HD650 headphones.  Sounded pretty good on my HD650s, but was sibilent and bright on y 701s.  What it boils down to is that the sibilence could be originating from either avenue, source file or equipment/speakers.  I'm guessing the latter in your case.  If everything has a sibilent tinge to it then I would suspect your equipment.

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post #37 of 42
Thread Starter 

To be honest after testing the Arcam rdac and the Dacmagic I would have to agree with Dr.Tone here....

 

The arcam is certainly a lot smoother and forgiving of poor quality material. Going back to the Dacmagic it seems almost crude in comparison with the refined sounding Arcam.... I think I prefer the bass slightly on the Dacmagic but the Arcam Rdac is a lot smoother and just generally a better quality, more natural, refined sound.

post #38 of 42
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

I am trying to iron out the sibilance in my system...

 

Maybe it is just the source file and the sibilance is simply part of the sound I am not sure..

 

I currently have a cambridge audio dacmagic and I am wondering if there are any similar priced dacs which may have a warmer sound and less treble/siblilance? or do they all sound similar?

  I have a decco 2 and the 9006 sabre dac it has is pretty smooth sounding though it sounds a bit distant in its presentation it is very musical and though a bit laid back it does not seem to lacking in detail at least to my ears.You might want to check out the I dac, peachtree is offering some units that have sticking buttons for 599 us which is a pretty good deal at 400 dollars off.Peachtree claims that the defect does not rear itself if you use the remote to change inputs.
  I imagine the dac section in the idac is probably better than the dac section of the decco 2 and it plays 192khz.The decco 2 only plays 96khz.I also imagine the idac has greater resolution.

As far as the sticking button issue you have a thirty day trial period to try it

 Peachtree from the reviews of their products has a warmer more relaxed sound from what I have read of their offerings so they might offer the smoother sound that you want.

post #39 of 42

Sibilance is often caused by common mode noise on the power supply. A DAC may have decent differential-mode filtering, but a lot don't have particularly good common-mode filtering. If your DAC is near a computer or a refrigerator or some other type of noisy piece of equipment, it might sound more sibilant than it would at someone else's house. You might try adding ferrites to your power cord before upgrading.

post #40 of 42

Does anyone actually listen to dac etc with no eq?

Any computer digital I ever heard throw highs off way too extreme.

Sibilance am not surprised, seems all a blow of just hi-end.

Anyone got an hdtracks file doing 192 with no eq?

 

 

My proof:

many 192 Files

Nirvana - Unplugged

Eagles Hotel California

any digital if any res above 8k - all very bright or lispy sibilance - no wonder tubes fix it.

 

Windows i7 16GB RAM > Foobar Media Player > M-Audio 24/192 PCI Card > Adam Studio Monitors (balanced - pro cables) also headphones = sibilance

 

Complete different system

 

MAC Mini i5, 8GB > Audrivina Music player > Calyx 192 USB DAC > (Carver)Sunfire 300 Amp (direct, balanced, no pre-amp) > Mirage Speakers 2 x 8" Woofer (also sibilance on Adam monitors) AND headphones


Edited by Colinzim - 2/21/17 at 8:00am
post #41 of 42
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Originally Posted by Colinzim View Post
 

Does anyone actually listen to dac etc with no eq?

Any computer digital I ever heard throw highs off way too extreme.

Sibilance am not surprised, seems all a blow of just hi-end.

Anyone got an hdtracks file doing 192 with no eq?

 

 

My proof:

many 192 Files

Nirvana - Unplugged

Eagles Hotel California

any digital if any res above 8k - all very bright or lispy sibilance - no wonder tubes fix it.

 

Windows i7 16GB RAM > Foobar Media Player > M-Audio 24/192 PCI Card > Adam Studio Monitors (balanced - pro cables) also headphones = sibilance

 

Complete different system

 

MAC Mini i5, 8GB > Audrivina Music player > Calyx 192 USB DAC > (Carver)Sunfire 300 Amp (direct, balanced, no pre-amp) > Mirage Speakers 2 x 8" Woofer (also sibilance on Adam monitors) AND headphones

 

I still have my Audio-gd DAC-19 output un-equalised even with my P3ESR's, which are very resolving - and my 2016 LCD 3Fs, which are brighter than previous revisions. No sibilance with either one and even though there are definitely recordings that are recorded and engineered overly bright, they're not unbearable.  

 

It did take me a while to get used to the P3ESR, having upgraded from the Unifi UB5, which definitely rolled off treble quite a bit. Although I have to say that even in the beginning the treble was never harsh, just suddenly more pronounced. 

 

That said, I've heard even smoother DACs. They're definitely out there - what comes to mind are the DACs in the Quad CD players and Hegel integrated amps/DACs.

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