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post #16 of 39
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

TBH I think the NAD is actually a VERY nice amp for the money.

 

Oh sure, I don't disagree with you there!  Solid state was never my thing though.  B&W's certainly are a brighter/drier speaker so that might be your problem right there.  I would be surprised if you were hearing sibilence out of your HD650s as they are a completely different animal when compared to your speakers.

post #17 of 39
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Yes the sound out of the HD650 is awesome... Maybe I will try some new speakers... DO you have any suggestions? I was thinking about trying some XTZ

post #18 of 39
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

Do you think a new interconnect RCA might make a difference?

 

RCA make a difference, but minimal, I would not rely on interconnect to 'fix' sound issue.

I find $5 interconnect usually sound harsh-er than a decent one (not the uber pretty and expensive ones)

 

I don't really like Silver cable, it is lack lower end weight, IMO.

post #19 of 39

The Musical Fidelity DAC I is simply astounding. With the Peak/Volcano/LCD 2 even straight out of the box it threw a HUGE soundstage, gobs of inner detail, low end weight and not a hint of accentuating anything more on the top end than what was recorded. This DAC (I am using it with an Onix transport) is everything and more than what the reviews have stated. Next to an $6k MSB DAC that I had the good fortune to live with for several months last year, this is the most robust and musical DAC I have heard. I would highly recommend an audition. dt880smile.png

post #20 of 39
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Originally Posted by wlvca View Post

Take a look at the Yulong Sabre D18.  Project86 did a detailed review.  Its NOS and priced at $699.00, $100.00 more than the DacMagic Plus. 

 

Here is a link to the review.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/586153/yulong-sabre-d18-thread-reviews-impressions-discussion-full-review-added-2-5

 

I have both the Yulong D18 (speaker rig) and the DacMagic Plus (headphone set up).  To be honest, I don't find the DacMagic Plus to be bright or sibilant.

 

In my opinion the sound quality is superior in the Yulong but the DacMagic Plus is a good DAC and has many additional features - preamp capability, digital pass through for examples.

 

+2 on the Yulong.  Great value at $700

 

I found the original DacMagic terribly sibilant, bright and harsh.  But it wasn't the whole problem in my system, my old speakers aluminum dome tweeters weren't helping.

post #21 of 39
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Hmmm one person says the Dacmagic is smooth then another says it is "terribly harsh and sibilant"

 

Are you sure it was not simply the speakers? Did you test this?

post #22 of 39
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Originally Posted by sej2112 View Post

The Musical Fidelity DAC I is simply astounding. With the Peak/Volcano/LCD 2 even straight out of the box it threw a HUGE soundstage, gobs of inner detail, low end weight and not a hint of accentuating anything more on the top end than what was recorded. This DAC (I am using it with an Onix transport) is everything and more than what the reviews have stated. Next to an $6k MSB DAC that I had the good fortune to live with for several months last year, this is the most robust and musical DAC I have heard. I would highly recommend an audition. dt880smile.png

 

Which musical fidelity DAC? The V DAC?, VDAC2?

post #23 of 39

Again I honestly wouldn't blame the DAC, I had one for quite some time and coming from tubes, never had a problem with its sound signature.  That being said, I really do have a feeling that your speakers may be at least part of the culprit, especially if you're not getting this overly sibilent characteristic through your phones.  XTZ are not going to be something you'll like.  Ribbon tweeters, while they can be somewhat smooth, will have the same sound signature as the B&W's you already have.  The XTZ will err heavily on the side of transient, ambient, twinkling.  They will certainly not retain the lush, emotional, heavy sound that your 650's have.  If you live in the UK you're already ahead of the game lol as you'e quite a few manufactures that are very good.  Try Quad, ProAc, Spendor for starters.  A really amazing equipment and speaker company is also Sythesis out of Italy.  Those speakers will have the same sound signature of your 650's, the XTZ, B&W will be more along the lines of B&W's.  Edit - please don't get a musical fidelity lol.  They are good but a but overpriced for what they are.  I used to work in a hifi shop years ago and Musical Fidelity was the number one traded in gear for the manufacturers I just mentioned.  You can go a lot farther with your money. 


Edited by colinharding - 5/5/12 at 9:27am
post #24 of 39
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I do get a bit of sibilance through the HD650 but it is not even remotely annoying and it is probably just the recording... Overall the treble on them is pretty much perfect to my ears.... (they are the new silver version) I don't have to EQ the treble at all I leave it flat with a slight increase at 12khz and 16khz. I can still notice a slight emphasis on the SSSS sounds but I am pretty sure this is just the recording because it is not annoying at all... When using the B&W overall I do like them and if I EQ the treble from 4khz and up (the tweeter crossover point) they sound pretty good.... This leads me to think the speakers might be the main problem but then people tell me that the dacmagic is excessively sibilant so I wonder if that is the problem.... From my research I have read quite a few people say the dacmagic is sibilant but I have also heard more people say that it is very good and smooth so I am not sure who to believe!

post #25 of 39
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

From my research I have read quite a few people say the dacmagic is sibilant but I have also heard more people say that it is very good and smooth so I am not sure who to believe!

 
Personally I've run some fairly expensive systems with just the dacmagic and they honestly sounded just fine. I'm not sure in what context that DAC might be called "harsh and sibilent".  My systems all roll off around 18khz as I'm just not a fan of piercing highs and would rather live in the midrange as that's where the majority of our hearing is anyway.  With that in mind I would never stand for a harsh DAC.  Try a NOS DAC if you want something smooth, all this 24 bit Sabre stuff is just harsh, quite detailed sure, but weightless and harsh.  Go for a Meridian 563, Theta DSP Pro Basic, Audio Note Zero as those will fit your tastes much more accurately.  Anyway the final decision is obviously yours and if you feel that the DAC is the culprit, then swap her out basshead.gif.
post #26 of 39
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So do you think that the Dacmagic is relatively harsh due to it being upsampling 24bit? Or is it still relatively smooth?

post #27 of 39

Look, the dacmagic is not harsh...at all IMHO. If you were to pull me aside right off the street for a sit down with your system I would tell you to change your speakers and more than likely your amp as well.  24bit has nothing to do with it, any 24bit DAC can be harsh or smooth, it's all in the implementation of the chip.

post #28 of 39
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lol ok you are probably right... It is just strange that some people say it is harsh.... TBH I think it is probably the B&W speakers tweeters that are causing the problems because through the Sennheiser HD650 the sound is great.... I also found the Denon D2000 too harsh... I think it is probably more down to the speakers/headphones then the DAC and you are probably right... usually the people saying it is harsh have some other reason probably causing it such as speakers etc. and people who say it is good seem to be more experienced and have tried multiple dacs so I am going to assume that it is not the DAC causing the problems. Why did you sell the dacmagic?


Edited by nicholars - 5/5/12 at 10:26am
post #29 of 39

I found the cambridge a a nice piece of kit as well.  Warmish and otherwise quite true to the source file.  I would not suspect it or really any of the electronics of sibilance.  I would suspect the source file.

post #30 of 39
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I do think that myself as well.... It is probably the source which may then be exagerated by bright equipment... But then I read people saying that sibilance is caused by electronics it is confusing. My suspicion is that it is just in the source file and can be exagerated by bright components. Can anyone with a high end system tell me if it still plays sibilance similar to a mid-fi system? Is it simply playing sibilance from the source, or is the amplifier and dac creating sibilance?

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