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Please help: Bass headphones Confusion

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

First of all: I know that my english is garbage. Sorry.

 

I know that there are many threads of people looking for bassy headphones. I already checked a lot of them out but I am starting to become really confused right now confused.gif. I guess I just read to much reviews and comparisons.

 

These are the headphones I am currently looking at:

 

- Ultrasone HFI 580

- Audio Technica ATH-M50

- Audio Technica ATH-700MK2

- Beyerdynamic DT 770

- Beyerdynamic DT 990

- V-MODA Crossfade LP

- V-MODA Crossfade LP2

 

These are the headphones I own or heard:

 

- AKG 518 DJ

- Shure SRH 750 DJ

- Beats by Dre Pro (sorry to mention them)

 

And this is why I'm confused:

 

I will star with the ATH-M50. The ATH-M50 is recommended all around the internet. I added it to my list but it does not really convince me because people say it has bad soundstage. An other headphone would be the ATH-700MK2 but reviewers seem to like the ATH-M50 better. Then I heard about the HFI 580 which was told to be just as good as the ATH-M50 but with better soundstage, which is quite important to me. Later someone said that he used to like the AKG 518 DJ, then bought the HFI 580 and was really disappointed by their bass. So this would mean that the ATH-M50 the ATH-700MK2 and the HFI 580 altogether have not more bass than the AKG 518 DJ?

This would be pretty weird, since I heard someone saying that the Audio Technica ATH-700MK2 "bashes and mashes" the beats pro in every single aspect. 

I did not hear a lot of the Beyerdynamic DT 770/990. Only that they REALLY have a lot of bass and some people saying they don't.

The V-MODA Crossfade LP seem to not be admired and the LP2 are not very well known.

 

What I'd like to know:

 

- How do the headphones I currently looking at compare to the headphones I know or heard? (mentioned above)

- What headphones are good for me?

 

What is important to me:

 

1. Bass of course! (I can not really say what kind of bass I like since I have not a lot of experience, but I think I rather like       punchy bass)

2. Isolation

3. Soundstage

4.No too much loose of any other sound quality just to have more bass

 

I know that "good bass" is a bad term, but a lot of people tend to just say good or bad bass, and that makes it really hard for a nooby guy like me to distinguish the kinds of bass.

 

I hope someone can make things clear once and for all.

 

I will be glad about every answer :)

post #2 of 17

Heya,

 

What did you think of the SRH750 DJ? Was it not bassy enough for you?

 

Very best,

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

I actually like the bass of my AKG K518 DJ a bit more. The SRH750 DJ have deep bass that "shakes" when I listen to dubstep for example, but it is not as aggressive and loud as I'd like it to be. Is this meant by punchy? On the AKG K518 DJ I feel like thee bass is hitting me right in the face and is more present than on the SRH 750 DJ.

 

It could also be that my SRH 750 DJ are not so well burned in, though I used them quite a lot now.

post #4 of 17

Just letting you know that the DT990s aren't the "bass monsters" as everyone describes them as. This is easily misunderstood because of the V-shaped sound signature. I personally think they have a bit more bass than the Q701 and the Q701s are Bass light IMO... Check this out if you don't believe me.

 

EDIT: I'm on a school comp and I'm not good with macs so heres a link... http://cdn.head-fi.org/2/2d/2dcd4d77_graphCompare.png


Edited by planx - 5/2/12 at 9:41am
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post

Heya,

 

What did you think of the SRH750 DJ? Was it not bassy enough for you?

 

Very best,

You're saying that like the SRH750 DJ are already quite bass heavy headphones. To my ears they rather sounded like balanced headphones.^^

The bass goes very deep, but it is not really emphasised. I really want the bass to be loud.

post #6 of 17
One thing to consider is that different headphones are going to synergize with different amps. The same headphones might have amazing bass on one amp but sound thin and lifeless on another. I use my 24ohm Sony XB700s on my Little-Dot I+ (solid state output) and my 250ohm Beyer DT990-Pros on my Little-Dot II+ (tube output). They both sound amazing when hooked to their respective amplifiers but sound like crap if I swap them.
post #7 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neziri View Post

Thanks for the replies

 

You're saying that like the SRH750 DJ are already quite bass heavy headphones. To my ears they rather sounded like balanced headphones.^^

The bass goes very deep, but it is not really emphasised. I really want the bass to be loud.


I see, yea balanced bass is a good thing when you want it... for a more un balanced bass that's in your face and very forward you can try the [don't hate you guys -.-] the Sony XB 500's... they are by no means balanced and the bass is pretty emphasized... And if you want deeper Sub Bass, try the Sony XB700 or Denon 2k

 

Although I will say this, I have the Sony XB700[Modded] and while I love them... I hate it some times. Balance is a good thing, so before you get a really bass heavy can be sure your only listening to Bass Heavy music... as it seems the cheaper bass heavy cans are real Niche monsters, they do great when you apply them within their Niche, they are very un impressive when you take them outside that Niche...

post #8 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neziri View Post

Thanks for the replies

 

You're saying that like the SRH750 DJ are already quite bass heavy headphones. To my ears they rather sounded like balanced headphones.^^

The bass goes very deep, but it is not really emphasised. I really want the bass to be loud.

 

Then get a $50 Sony XB500 or some IEM's. Good headphones are not going to have super loud bass.

 

Very best,

post #9 of 17

Yea SRH750 DJs are more deep/subbass focused headphones and AKG K518 DJs are very midbass focused headphones with rolled-off subbass response so it's obvious you're looking for midbass emphasis. I can say the K518 DJs packs a very large amount of midbass and hits very hard with a big impact (compare it's like being hit by a hammer if exaggerating heavily) vs SRH750 DJ which is more like getting hit with a very large humansized teddybear-toy or something, quantity may be huge but the impact is softer. What you're looking for is that snappier punchier midbass impact which headphones like Sony XB500, V-Moda LP1/LP2s, Ultrasone PRO900, Denon D1100, M-Audio Q40, Beyerdynamic DT990 PRO 250 ohm (and crap like Beats Studios, Skullcandy Skullcrushers :P) etc. specializes in.

 

Don't know where PRO700MK2 stands though in terms of subb-bass vs mid-bass focus but at least either or both of them are huge as the quantity is described right up there with the bassiest headphones but wheter it's very midbass or strong subbass response or it's fairly even subbass vs midbass presence I have no idea about.

 

In frequency response graphs look for a hillshaped/peak around 100Hz or so and the more spiky (narrow) and the higher peak around 100Hz the harder hitting midbass punch it usually translates to. Deep bass takes a lot of current so it actually usually leads to bigger punch in the bass if the subbass is slightly rolled off than going evenly down to the lowest notes.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 5/2/12 at 12:05pm
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks a lot! That was really helpful.

 

But please don't misunderstand me.

I don't want to sacrifie everything else just for bass. I heard that the XB500 are like absorbing everything else and that's not what I am looking for. I heard similar things about the LP/LP2.

I think the ultrasone Pro900 would pretty much satisfy my claims. I never heard them, but I read a lot of reviews and they say that the Pro 900 have incredible bass, which does not absorb other sound. Unfortunately they are to expensive for me. 

 

I was interested in buying the LP2 some time ago, but then I heard that they sound pretty much like the beats studio.Is that right? I don't want beats sound.

post #11 of 17

I would stay away from the lp line just because of that cracking problem, and the ultrasone pro 900 are good bass head headphones

post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks to all the replies

 

I'm pretty convinced of the Denon D1100 right now, but I want to be shure that they really have significantly more bass (punchy midbass) than the AKG K518 DJ. Does anyone know that? 

Does it make sense to use an amp for these headphones?

post #13 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neziri View Post

Thanks to all the replies

 

I'm pretty convinced of the Denon D1100 right now, but I want to be shure that they really have significantly more bass (punchy midbass) than the AKG K518 DJ. Does anyone know that? 

Does it make sense to use an amp for these headphones?

 

Denon D1100 won't offer you a lot more midbass than K518DJ but yea a little probably, but let's say this if you want MORE midbass than K518 there's probably only maybe something like 20~30% or so to go still (K518 DJs really hit that hard in the midbass) by changing headphone only. Your next logical step would be getting a bass boost amp like digiZoid ZO2 or FiiO E11 which could increase bass boost/impact probably by over 100% or something like that. That or using a high quality EQ... I'dopt for either ZO2 or FiiO E11 in your case, E11 got a 2-step bass boost switch and ZO2 a 32-lvl bass boost tweakability, however in lots of cases the FiiO E11 at the first level works fairly nice already and is cheaper but yea ZO2 is also worth paying the extra for IMO.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 5/3/12 at 9:26am
post #14 of 17

If your new to bass and your just looking for impact then yea the Z02 should make ya happy, but from what I've heard the E11 is much more accurate with it's bass bost where as the Z02 is more fun and colorful, which tends to result in a loss of detail it seems.

 

Plus e11 is cheaper :3, still though the Z02 looks pretty awesome!

post #15 of 17

I'm in the same boat- looking for audiophile clarity and accuracy in the mids and highs with powerful tight bass in a low ohm package for portable use.  Does anyone have any thoughts on which of these I should consider to meet this criteria or even which I should cross off the list, or other recommendations?

 

Ultrasone Pro 900

Beyerdynamic DT770

Aiaiai TMA-1

Phiaton MS 400

AKG K550

Sony MDR-MA900

PSB M4U2

Sennheiser Amperior (not yet available)

V Moda M100 (not yet available)

Ultrasone Edition 8 (if I hit the lottery)

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