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post #616 of 1371
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Originally Posted by mannkind246 View Post

Thanks Rudi.
Another question if you have problem with your unit how would you deal with it?
As I read iBasso would not handle the repairing and also no support from Japan side.

This very good question
I will ask my friend and will let you know after I get the answer
post #617 of 1371
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Hi Rudi, any comment?

Is there any different inside the player that makes HDP-R10 has larger sounds stage and better clarity as mentioned by lin0003?

 

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Thanks Rudi.

Another question if you have problem with your unit how would you deal with it?

As I read iBasso would not handle the repairing and also no support from Japan side.

 

Please allow me to chime in on this.

 

My understanding is that iBasso will not directly service the R10. You will need to send it back to the vendor (most likely to Japan) before it is sent to iBasso for servicing. That would mean a longer wait time for the R10 to be returned. If you are unperturbed by this and want a longer play time, then get the R10.

 

However, if you are comfortable with 7hrs of play time and need the assurance of quick service from iBasso,  then I would recommend the DX100. IMHO, the main advantage of the R10 over the DX100 is the battery life. The R10 will give you at least 10hrs of play time. The UI is different and is a slight improvement over the DX100. But that is about it. I personally do not find any significant difference in sound quality between these two daps. Both are equally good at producing good sound. You will definitely not missed out on anything going for the DX100.

post #618 of 1371
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Please allow me to chime in on this.

My understanding is that iBasso will not directly service the R10. You will need to send it back to the vendor (most likely to Japan) before it is sent to iBasso for servicing. That would mean a longer wait time for the R10 to be returned. If you are unperturbed by this and want a longer play time, then get the R10.

However, if you are comfortable with 7hrs of play time and need the assurance of quick service from iBasso,  then I would recommend the DX100. IMHO, the main advantage of the R10 over the DX100 is the battery life. The R10 will give you at least 10hrs of play time. The UI is different and is a slight improvement over the DX100. But that is about it. I personally do not find any significant difference in sound quality between these two daps. Both are equally good at producing good sound. You will definitely not missed out on anything going for the DX100.

Hi Alan
The warranty problem is one issue with HDP R10
No offence to your impression , if you have computer speaker please connect your DX 100 and your friend HDP R10 to this portable speaker .through the line out or coaxial out if you connect to external DAC .
You will hear the SQ different very easy .
HDP R10 is more fine and clean and clear SQ compare to DD 100
My IMO
post #619 of 1371
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Originally Posted by rudi0504 View Post


Hi Alan
The warranty problem is one issue with HDP R10
No offence to your impression , if you have computer speaker please connect your DX 100 and your friend HDP R10 to this portable speaker .through the line out or coaxial out if you connect to external DAC .
You will hear the SQ different very easy .
HDP R10 is more fine and clean and clear SQ compare to DD 100
My IMO

Hi Rudi,

 

No offence taken. I am aware that you and some of your friends found the R10 better sounding than the DX100. That is good for you and your friends.

 

But I own both the DX100 and R10 (I still own them) and I listen to it using the normal phone jack and I cannot hear any significant differences between these two players. I would assume that this is how most folks will use the DX100 and R10 :D

 

Of course, I do not dispute both of us may have different hearing abilities :D so maybe you did hear something extra that I didn't :etysmile: But I stand by what I hear. I am perfectly happy listening to either players and would not miss one over the other. Both the R10 and DX100 produces very good sound quality.

 

Btw, I understand that my DX100 is for the China market. It seems iBasso has two "versions" of the DX100 - one for the market in China and the other for the international market (please correct me if I got this wrong). Not sure how this will impact the sound :D I assume it is the same DX100.

post #620 of 1371
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Hi Rudi,

 

No offence taken. I am aware that you and some of your friends found the R10 better sounding than the DX100. That is good for you and your friends.

 

But I own both the DX100 and R10 (I still own them) and I listen to it using the normal phone jack and I cannot hear any significant differences between these two players. I would assume that this is how most folks will use the DX100 and R10 :D

 

Of course, I do not dispute both of us may have different hearing abilities :D so maybe you did hear something extra that I didn't :etysmile: But I stand by what I hear. I am perfectly happy listening to either players and would not miss one over the other. Both the R10 and DX100 produces very good sound quality.

 

Btw, I understand that my DX100 is for the China market. It seems iBasso has two "versions" of the DX100 - one for the market in China and the other for the international market (please correct me if I got this wrong). Not sure how this will impact the sound :D I assume it is the same DX100.

 

It would be good if there are more owners of both DX100 and HDP-R10's1. Preferably with both products well and properly burnt in so that the comparison is fair.

 

I was actually talking to VisceriousZERO offline about this as I was curious myself and for him, he also didn't feel there was a significant difference between the two in terms of SQ either. He went on further that the GUI of the DX100 is actually more responsive (and therefore perceptively faster) than the HDP-R10. So that leaves really only the battery-life differences.

 

I've been encouraging him to post here.

 

Personally, I have heard both too but that was a very brief 5-10 min demo over a year back of which isn't regurgitating.

 

Edit 1: I meant an owner who owns both the DX100 and HDP-R10 side-by-side.

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It would be good if there are more owners of both DX100 and HDP-R10's1. Preferably with both products well and properly burnt in so that the comparison is fair.

 

 

Hi AnakChan,

 

I totally agree but I think a blind test would really be the best way to sort this out. It is the best way to confirm if one is truly better sounding than the other.

 

As for the UI of the DX100 being responsive, I did not notice any significant difference between these two daps. I was focusing more on the layout of the interface which I felt on the R10 was more user friendly. But this is not a big issue really.

 

So yes, I hope more folks with DX100 and R10 will give their inputs on the sonic differences, if any.

post #622 of 1371

I had both DX100 and R10 and could compare them side by side with the same music files and after >600 hours of burn-in (the sound of both of them improves substantially after 400 hours). Personally, I liked the sound of R10 better (DX100 was with 1.2.7 and 1.4.2, but I liked 1.2.7 better) and eventually sold my DX100. I was using them with the new JH13 FP and Piccolino IEM cable. Just my opinion, of course.

post #623 of 1371
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

It would be good if there are more owners of both DX100 and HDP-R10's1. Preferably with both products well and properly burnt in so that the comparison is fair.

I was actually talking to VisceriousZERO offline about this as I was curious myself and for him, he also didn't feel there was a significant difference between the two in terms of SQ either. He went on further that the GUI of the DX100 is actually more responsive (and therefore perceptively faster) than the HDP-R10. So that leaves really only the battery-life differences.

I've been encouraging him to post here.

Personally, I have heard both too but that was a very brief 5-10 min demo over a year back of which isn't regurgitating.

Edit 1: I meant an owner who owns both the DX100 and HDP-R10 side-by-side.

Thank you Sean for your information

I had my DX 100 only for 1 week than I sold my DX 100
I have HDP R10 until now and I don't want to sell my HDP R10 , it is really until now one of my best DAP I have own
Edited by rudi0504 - 9/29/13 at 10:49am
post #624 of 1371
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Hi Rudi,

No offence taken. I am aware that you and some of your friends found the R10 better sounding than the DX100. That is good for you and your friends.

But I own both the DX100 and R10 (I still own them) and I listen to it using the normal phone jack and I cannot hear any significant differences between these two players. I would assume that this is how most folks will use the DX100 and R10 biggrin.gif

Of course, I do not dispute both of us may have different hearing abilities biggrin.gif  so maybe you did hear something extra that I didn't etysmile.gif  But I stand by what I hear. I am perfectly happy listening to either players and would not miss one over the other. Both the R10 and DX100 produces very good sound quality.

Btw, I understand that my DX100 is for the China market. It seems iBasso has two "versions" of the DX100 - one for the market in China and the other for the international market (please correct me if I got this wrong). Not sure how this will impact the sound biggrin.gif  I assume it is the same DX100.

Hi

It could be that DX 100 for China has different SQ compare to DX 100 International version

We have compare DX 100 with my HDP R10 :

First :
We use HEADPHONE OUT
Tried with many iems like Phonak 232. , 1+2 with silver gold cable
Headphone : LCD 2 rev 3 , Fostex Th 900

The result : HDP R10 sound better than DX 100

Second :

we use LINE OUT and connect to active speaker

The result : HDP R10 has better SQ than DX 100

Third :

We add IBasso DB2 mod as ext DAC , we use COAX OUT

The result : HDP R10 SQ is better than ZdX 100

Overall :

We compare my HDP R10 vs 2 DX 100

HDP R10 more balance SQ , more natural to me

DX 100 has slightly bigger power than HDP R10

My IMO
post #625 of 1371
Hello. I have both HDP-R10 and DX100. I actually had the R10 first before my DX100.

Me and two real life audiophile friends (soullinker20 and another guy) agree that there isnt much difference in SQ with the two. My DX100 comes from iBasso directly.

Though the DX100 UI is slightly faster. SLIGHTLY.
post #626 of 1371
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Originally Posted by AlanYWM View Post
 

Hi Rudi,

 

No offence taken. I am aware that you and some of your friends found the R10 better sounding than the DX100. That is good for you and your friends.

 

But I own both the DX100 and R10 (I still own them) and I listen to it using the normal phone jack and I cannot hear any significant differences between these two players. I would assume that this is how most folks will use the DX100 and R10 :D

 

Of course, I do not dispute both of us may have different hearing abilities :D so maybe you did hear something extra that I didn't :etysmile: But I stand by what I hear. I am perfectly happy listening to either players and would not miss one over the other. Both the R10 and DX100 produces very good sound quality.

 

Btw, I understand that my DX100 is for the China market. It seems iBasso has two "versions" of the DX100 - one for the market in China and the other for the international market (please correct me if I got this wrong). Not sure how this will impact the sound :D I assume it is the same DX100.

 

Is there anyway to know if the DX100 is China version or International version?

Can we choose the version when ordering this item from iBasso?

post #627 of 1371
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Originally Posted by mannkind246 View Post

Is there anyway to know if the DX100 is China version or International version?
Can we choose the version when ordering this item from iBasso?
Don't think so. The China version is only for sale in China I think.
post #628 of 1371

I do believe iBasso comes from China so wouldn't that be the same thing?

post #629 of 1371
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I do believe iBasso comes from China so wouldn't that be the same thing?

 

I think they meant a DX100 for local China market (being produced differently than) a DX100 for export to international market.

 

I've seen the "insides" of a so-called international DX100 as well as the HDP-R10. Does anyone have any pix of this claimed China-only DX100?

post #630 of 1371
Some friends and I did some AB test between both. It was during the Tellement Nomade meeting in Paris. Both had the last firmware one was this from our common friend, Mimouille, also clearly burned in, the other was mine, that I ever own.

We did not perceive any difference between them. More precisely, we were not able to say which was the DX100 and which was the HDP-R10. So I consider the difference is marginal to base the buy of one or the other just on the sound argument. The HDP-R10 has enough argument to be preferred, if you optimise android it is very reactive, no doubt that's I did.

Thank you Rudi and Alan for your critical listening.
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