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post #1321 of 1621

they had abandoned us long time ago. They're ignoring all of our messages regarding firmware upgrade. 

If they wanted, they could have fixed the issues last year.

It seems like they're not interested in improving their products anymore. 

post #1322 of 1621

If I still had the R10, I'd sell it while there's still buyers demand and wait for a better DAP. It's not like there will never be a DAP with better sound quality.


Edited by s0ny - 7/23/14 at 6:21am
post #1323 of 1621

I bought HM901 as well. Honestly, I think R10 still sounds better. R10 has the best sound. 

post #1324 of 1621

Picked up an open box R10 few weeks ago for good price. Haven't heard any Astell Kern players so can't say how it compares but its def a nice improvement from my Creative Zen Vision M + Fiio E17.  Very detailed sound, nice clarity and soundstage. Has average screen and basic/useable (at least) android UI that could be customized. Not to many bugs for me so far. Trying to avoid installing apps to keep it that way and maximize batt life (seems any installed/running apps other than default player drain batt much faster). Didn't buy the R10 to install apps though.

 

The internal amp is very good with all headphones I've tested it with (Denon D1001, HD598, Pro500s; mostly use mid-gain) but it def is the biggest power draw. Used the line out today to some speakers and batt level only dropped 1% after like 20-30min use compared to watching it sometimes drop that much every 5-10 minutes from headphone out (I think file types like HD affect it too). Despite that, I'm ok with battery life (haven't done full run to see total hrs yet but did try calibrating it). I'm only charging it every couple days so far (doesn't charge over micro usb unfortunately; tried several cables and chargers putting out up to 5V 3A but still no indication its charging; hate to see what the DX100 batt life was like if the R10 was an improvement.)

 

Looks like a keeper so far though. From what I've read here the sound quality will be hard to improve on. Other players out there with better screen/ui/navigation but also higher cost and slightly downgraded sound.

 

Also tried sample DSD files (had to convert file from DFF to DSF for R10 to recognize it). Unable to hear any difference vs 24bit 192khz wav file. DSD playback also kept making the R10 skip audio then crash. Nice that it "can" recognize those files and might be able to play some of them but think I'll avoid em. My favorite artists not even avail in the format yet anyway.

 

Biggest issue I'm having is with the R10's EQ. When using Direct Streaming everything sounds great but the moment I turn on the EQ (and even before selecting a preset or changing the EQ, the sound output becomes muffled and reduced).  So I leave Direct-S on and am trying to find the right headphones to use with it most times (almost like I'm trying to reverse EQ it by changing headphones). Haven't tried Nad Viso yet but few headphones good for every music type. HD598s has great separation and soundstage with the R10 but bass usually lacking. Pro500s are the opposite. Any suggestions?

post #1325 of 1621
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Originally Posted by gr8soundz View Post
 

Also tried sample DSD files (had to convert file from DFF to DSF for R10 to recognize it). Unable to hear any difference vs 24bit 192khz wav file. DSD playback also kept making the R10 skip audio then crash. Nice that it "can" recognize those files and might be able to play some of them but think I'll avoid em. My favorite artists not even avail in the format yet anyway.

 

There is probably no point of trying DSD since it's probably has to be converted to PCM to output the audio, which means there is no native DSD.  I don't know of a DAP that has read DSD to analog converting capabilities besides the AK240.  Others say they do DSD, but it's actually converted to PCM from the DSD file.

 

I agree it's a good sounding player, there is no denying that.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/24/14 at 9:00pm
post #1326 of 1621
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

There is probably no point of trying DSD since it's probably has to be converted to PCM to output the audio, which means there is no native DSD.  I don't know of a DAP that has read DSD to analog converting capabilities besides the AK240.  Others say they do DSD, but it's actually converted to PCM from the DSD file.

 

I agree it's a good sounding player, there is no denying that.


Calyx M supports too, in fact it is even better than DSD support. I believe there are still some resolution sizes AK downsamples but Calyx M play without a problem.

 

I don't have much info about this thing cuz I couldn't care less about DSD but I remember reading it somewhere in head-fi.

post #1327 of 1621

Some recent observations on my R10 (long, detailed post but maybe this can help others as so much info here helped me recently):

 

Figured I'd try the update from 8.0.2 to .3 last night. Removed sd card, connected charger, saved update.img file direct to R10 via usb, turned off usb mode & unplugged cable, pressed install after immediate prompt appeared. R10 restarted itself and updated in a few minutes then went to charging while off.

 

Powered it back up, re-inserted 64gb Sandisk micro sdxc card and let it scan but all tracks showing 00.00. My same settings still in place (thought firmware update would wipe settings etc) and didn't have any additional apps installed before update. Confirmed v8.0.3 shown in settings. Internal flacs still there and some playable but caused built-in HD Player app to crash (got pop-up to force close?).

 

No turning back now: redid update steps to 9.0.3 thinking possible new bug after .2 firmware. Same exact issue......

 

Despite warnings otherwise, I was able to reflash back to original 8.0.2 firmware (thought can't hurt at this point; songs at least didn't show all zeros when running it). Still zeros......

 

Noticed that after each update the battery began to drain at like 1% per minute. Usb charging never worked (initially thought new firmware might help there but nope). When I did test/play internal flac that worked (don't kill the messenger) I could swear it sounded a bit better which I was not expecting that at all. This was with same gain, same headphones as before (Yamaha Pro 500s) and roughly same volume though it seemed the volume was also a bit louder at lower levels. Before updates I always had volume around 200 at mid gain. Now it seems improved at 180 (200 was def louder than before). After going from 9.0.3 back to earlier firmware, icon for android market was still there even though it was no longer installed (I removed the icon).  Also noticed the UI seemed more responsive after first update.

 

Then I remembered something from this thread earlier where someone wrote that initial scans can take several minutes (despite pop-up message going away). Ok, so I let the R10 sit for like 20min after the nth reboot try.  Sure enough, track times displayed correctly (phew).

 

It was very late; glad R10 seemed back to normal but I wondered if I hadn't given the newer firmwares enough time to finish scanning.

 

So this morning I re-flashed to 8.0.3 (first listened to same flac from Santana's Shaman at 24-bit 96khz before flashing to also ensure I'm not hearing improvements that aren't there). Waited about 10min after update during which batt went from 100 to 95% before stabilizing. Track times on internal & micro sd card songs are there now.  I realize direct sound comparison is difficult at best due to time it takes to flash but I avoided any other sounds (other than quiet ambient surroundings; no tv even) until it was done and replayed the same track at exact same settings. I couldn't quite describe the difference at first; thought it was a bit less bass but no, I do hear a bit fuller soundstage. The Pro500s are bassy to begin with but I was hearing more midrange separation that the bass used to drown out a little more before the update. I didn't expect any audio improvements (just like most here I wanted more speed, batt life, more stability) but if Fiio and other manufactures can improve their DAP's sound through firmware why not iBasso/Hibino? Its not impossible.

 

I did a total of 4-5 firmware flashes (lost count) including the redo from .2 to 8.0.3.  Staying on .3 now. Faster response and batt drain leveled out. Sound is always subjective but I'll take any improvement I can hear. Scans after reboot take only a minute or two.

 

Looks like the delay in initial scanning (and the corresponding batt drain) may only be 1x things. Performance after that pretty much same as discussed earlier. Still gets a littel warm (I def notice less heat if I recharge it while its off too), batt life still not 15 hours, and UI still not the best. But it works and it sounds great otherwise.

 

The R10 reminds of stories I used to read and hear about finicky sports cars. Very few were daily driver reliable but most owners put up with it for the performance. Those of us who want desktop sound in bed or on the go had few options before and (from what I've read) can't afford the AK240 with it's great UI (for similar or slightly better sound?). No matter how it was implemented, there was always going to be issues putting a desktop DAC into a portable. I'm not making excuses for iBasso/Hibino (glad they made this DAP though) but it seems the better we know the device and know to give it a little time when needed its worth it.

post #1328 of 1621
Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8soundz View Post
 

Some recent observations on my R10 (long, detailed post but maybe this can help others as so much info here helped me recently):

 

Figured I'd try the update from 8.0.2 to .3 last night. Removed sd card, connected charger, saved update.img file direct to R10 via usb, turned off usb mode & unplugged cable, pressed install after immediate prompt appeared. R10 restarted itself and updated in a few minutes then went to charging while off.

 

Powered it back up, re-inserted 64gb Sandisk micro sdxc card and let it scan but all tracks showing 00.00. My same settings still in place (thought firmware update would wipe settings etc) and didn't have any additional apps installed before update. Confirmed v8.0.3 shown in settings. Internal flacs still there and some playable but caused built-in HD Player app to crash (got pop-up to force close?).

 

No turning back now: redid update steps to 9.0.3 thinking possible new bug after .2 firmware. Same exact issue......

 

Despite warnings otherwise, I was able to reflash back to original 8.0.2 firmware (thought can't hurt at this point; songs at least didn't show all zeros when running it). Still zeros......

 

Noticed that after each update the battery began to drain at like 1% per minute. Usb charging never worked (initially thought new firmware might help there but nope). When I did test/play internal flac that worked (don't kill the messenger) I could swear it sounded a bit better which I was not expecting that at all. This was with same gain, same headphones as before (Yamaha Pro 500s) and roughly same volume though it seemed the volume was also a bit louder at lower levels. Before updates I always had volume around 200 at mid gain. Now it seems improved at 180 (200 was def louder than before). After going from 9.0.3 back to earlier firmware, icon for android market was still there even though it was no longer installed (I removed the icon).  Also noticed the UI seemed more responsive after first update.

 

Then I remembered something from this thread earlier where someone wrote that initial scans can take several minutes (despite pop-up message going away). Ok, so I let the R10 sit for like 20min after the nth reboot try.  Sure enough, track times displayed correctly (phew).

 

It was very late; glad R10 seemed back to normal but I wondered if I hadn't given the newer firmwares enough time to finish scanning.

 

So this morning I re-flashed to 8.0.3 (first listened to same flac from Santana's Shaman at 24-bit 96khz before flashing to also ensure I'm not hearing improvements that aren't there). Waited about 10min after update during which batt went from 100 to 95% before stabilizing. Track times on internal & micro sd card songs are there now.  I realize direct sound comparison is difficult at best due to time it takes to flash but I avoided any other sounds (other than quiet ambient surroundings; no tv even) until it was done and replayed the same track at exact same settings. I couldn't quite describe the difference at first; thought it was a bit less bass but no, I do hear a bit fuller soundstage. The Pro500s are bassy to begin with but I was hearing more midrange separation that the bass used to drown out a little more before the update. I didn't expect any audio improvements (just like most here I wanted more speed, batt life, more stability) but if Fiio and other manufactures can improve their DAP's sound through firmware why not iBasso/Hibino? Its not impossible.

 

I did a total of 4-5 firmware flashes (lost count) including the redo from .2 to 8.0.3.  Staying on .3 now. Faster response and batt drain leveled out. Sound is always subjective but I'll take any improvement I can hear. Scans after reboot take only a minute or two.

 

Looks like the delay in initial scanning (and the corresponding batt drain) may only be 1x things. Performance after that pretty much same as discussed earlier. Still gets a littel warm (I def notice less heat if I recharge it while its off too), batt life still not 15 hours, and UI still not the best. But it works and it sounds great otherwise.

 

The R10 reminds of stories I used to read and hear about finicky sports cars. Very few were daily driver reliable but most owners put up with it for the performance. Those of us who want desktop sound in bed or on the go had few options before and (from what I've read) can't afford the AK240 with it's great UI (for similar or slightly better sound?). No matter how it was implemented, there was always going to be issues putting a desktop DAC into a portable. I'm not making excuses for iBasso/Hibino (glad they made this DAP though) but it seems the better we know the device and know to give it a little time when needed its worth it.

 

 

We all have exactly the same 00:00 track issues.

This happens almost three out of five times when you reboot the device. You have to wait five to ten mins or reboot your R10 several times in order to fix that. It's not a firmware issue. R10's built-in HD Player app is causing this issue due to its very slow scanning speed.

I have sent several e-mails to iBasso and Hibbino guys regarding this problem but they're ignoring me.

 

The battery life is as described in your description. It isn't that long but I find it to be not bad for daily use. You can use it for all day long outside.

 

Other than these issues, R10 sounds incredible. I don't think there are many devices which sound better than R10.

 

I'm trying to convince other Android music player developers to make a fully implemented music player for R10.

If someone can make a fully implemented, bug-free music player app for R10, are you guys willing to pay up to $100?


Edited by kawaivpc1 - 7/26/14 at 11:47am
post #1329 of 1621
Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8soundz View Post
 

Some recent observations on my R10 (long, detailed post but maybe this can help others as so much info here helped me recently):

 

Figured I'd try the update from 8.0.2 to .3 last night. Removed sd card, connected charger, saved update.img file direct to R10 via usb, turned off usb mode & unplugged cable, pressed install after immediate prompt appeared. R10 restarted itself and updated in a few minutes then went to charging while off.

 

Powered it back up, re-inserted 64gb Sandisk micro sdxc card and let it scan but all tracks showing 00.00. My same settings still in place (thought firmware update would wipe settings etc) and didn't have any additional apps installed before update. Confirmed v8.0.3 shown in settings. Internal flacs still there and some playable but caused built-in HD Player app to crash (got pop-up to force close?).

 

No turning back now: redid update steps to 9.0.3 thinking possible new bug after .2 firmware. Same exact issue......

 

Despite warnings otherwise, I was able to reflash back to original 8.0.2 firmware (thought can't hurt at this point; songs at least didn't show all zeros when running it). Still zeros......

 

Noticed that after each update the battery began to drain at like 1% per minute. Usb charging never worked (initially thought new firmware might help there but nope). When I did test/play internal flac that worked (don't kill the messenger) I could swear it sounded a bit better which I was not expecting that at all. This was with same gain, same headphones as before (Yamaha Pro 500s) and roughly same volume though it seemed the volume was also a bit louder at lower levels. Before updates I always had volume around 200 at mid gain. Now it seems improved at 180 (200 was def louder than before). After going from 9.0.3 back to earlier firmware, icon for android market was still there even though it was no longer installed (I removed the icon).  Also noticed the UI seemed more responsive after first update.

 

Then I remembered something from this thread earlier where someone wrote that initial scans can take several minutes (despite pop-up message going away). Ok, so I let the R10 sit for like 20min after the nth reboot try.  Sure enough, track times displayed correctly (phew).

 

It was very late; glad R10 seemed back to normal but I wondered if I hadn't given the newer firmwares enough time to finish scanning.

 

So this morning I re-flashed to 8.0.3 (first listened to same flac from Santana's Shaman at 24-bit 96khz before flashing to also ensure I'm not hearing improvements that aren't there). Waited about 10min after update during which batt went from 100 to 95% before stabilizing. Track times on internal & micro sd card songs are there now.  I realize direct sound comparison is difficult at best due to time it takes to flash but I avoided any other sounds (other than quiet ambient surroundings; no tv even) until it was done and replayed the same track at exact same settings. I couldn't quite describe the difference at first; thought it was a bit less bass but no, I do hear a bit fuller soundstage. The Pro500s are bassy to begin with but I was hearing more midrange separation that the bass used to drown out a little more before the update. I didn't expect any audio improvements (just like most here I wanted more speed, batt life, more stability) but if Fiio and other manufactures can improve their DAP's sound through firmware why not iBasso/Hibino? Its not impossible.

 

I did a total of 4-5 firmware flashes (lost count) including the redo from .2 to 8.0.3.  Staying on .3 now. Faster response and batt drain leveled out. Sound is always subjective but I'll take any improvement I can hear. Scans after reboot take only a minute or two.

 

Looks like the delay in initial scanning (and the corresponding batt drain) may only be 1x things. Performance after that pretty much same as discussed earlier. Still gets a littel warm (I def notice less heat if I recharge it while its off too), batt life still not 15 hours, and UI still not the best. But it works and it sounds great otherwise.

 

The R10 reminds of stories I used to read and hear about finicky sports cars. Very few were daily driver reliable but most owners put up with it for the performance. Those of us who want desktop sound in bed or on the go had few options before and (from what I've read) can't afford the AK240 with it's great UI (for similar or slightly better sound?). No matter how it was implemented, there was always going to be issues putting a desktop DAC into a portable. I'm not making excuses for iBasso/Hibino (glad they made this DAP though) but it seems the better we know the device and know to give it a little time when needed its worth it.

 Same here, I really want to know how to wipe the R10 as well.


Edited by playalanking - 7/26/14 at 1:35pm
post #1330 of 1621
Quote:
Originally Posted by kawaivpc1 View Post
 

 

 

We all have exactly the same 00:00 track issues.

This happens almost three out of five times when you reboot the device. You have to wait five to ten mins or reboot your R10 several times in order to fix that. It's not a firmware issue. R10's built-in HD Player app is causing this issue due to its very slow scanning speed.

I have sent several e-mails to iBasso and Hibbino guys regarding this problem but they're ignoring me.

Its only happened to me after firmware changed and after loading some DSD files (I'll retry it after adding new files to sd card).  Other than that and the usual 1min or so scan after boot, my R10 shows track times fine.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by kawaivpc1 View Post

 

 

I'm trying to convince other Android music player developers to make a fully implemented music player for R10.

If someone can make a fully implemented, bug-free music player app for R10, are you guys willing to pay up to $100?

$100 is a bit steep for ANY software in my opinion.  Triple digits is when its time to look towards new hardware.

post #1331 of 1621

A good news to you guys: Hibbino Corporation is now contacting iBasso Audio to encourage them to update R10's firmware and stock player.

post #1332 of 1621
Quote:
Originally Posted by kawaivpc1 View Post
 

A good news to you guys: Hibbino Corporation is now contacting iBasso Audio to encourage them to update R10's firmware and stock player.


That's good to hear, hope they iBasso follows thru. Keep us imformed.

post #1333 of 1621
Please people how much does the R10 cost now?
post #1334 of 1621
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Originally Posted by EQbumb View Post

Please people how much does the R10 cost now?


Around 500 euros in pricejapan.com

post #1335 of 1621

A Hidden Feature of iBasso R10 / DX100:

 

 

Hello guys. 

 

I did an experiment with a portable battery that I have purchased for 39 dollars on Amazon.com. I found that R10 and DX100 can run with an external battery power via USB. (There's no portable battery with V5 cord out there) 

Connect any of your portable battery with USB to R10 / DX100's android USB port. It won't show the charging mark. Instead, It will run on that external battery! R10 / DX100 will not use its internal battery till it completely drains the external battery. 

That's right! you can increase your R10 and DX100's battery life by 30 hours or more through this way. 

I have tested this outside today. It works flawlessly. There's no heat, error, etc. 

 

You'll have to plug in your external battery before turning on your R10 / DX100. Once you do that, R10 will automatically turn on and recognize your external battery as its main power source! 

 

------------------

FYI, Here I confirm that 256GB SD card in FAT32 format with SD to micro SD adapter work flawlessly with R10 / DX100. You can increase your R10's capacity up to 310GB!

 

 

I encourage moderator to add this to a main thread. This feature wasn't mentioned in R10 / DX100's manual. 


Edited by kawaivpc1 - 7/31/14 at 3:03pm
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