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post #571 of 663
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Originally Posted by spritzer View Post

Wow, so much fail in one post... 

 

Can you explain why since you are the only to hold the truth ?

 
Thank you.
post #572 of 663
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Originally Posted by eric65 View Post

 

Can you explain why since you are the only to hold the truth ?

 
Thank you.

X2, Picasso only painted one canvas on any given theme.

post #573 of 663
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Originally Posted by eric65 View Post

 

Can you explain why since you are the only to hold the truth ?

 
Thank you.


X3, quite Eric.

post #574 of 663
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Originally Posted by eric65 View Post

Can you explain why since you are the only to hold the truth ?

 
Thank you.

x4

 

I'm very curious myself.

post #575 of 663

It's probably because he likes to hear the material without the distortion from an amp which is voiced to make a headphone sound good and/or a headphone which needs an amp which isn't wire-with-gain to sound remotely like it should.

 

And, he isn't the only one to hold the truth.

 

The fact is the high fidelity community is split roughly into two sections:-

1/ Those who want their gear to be a neutral/natural as possible, and,

2/ Those who want their gear to sound a euphonic as possible.

 

The first group strive for a realistic sound, and

the second group strive for a sound that pleases them,

 

Only the first group can truly be called a High Fidelity afficionado.

 

The second group like to be called music lovers.

 

And, mostly never the twain can meet eye to eye without a bunfight.

post #576 of 663

In addition you have all the psychoacoustic issues of how different people perceive sound and that we are listening to music that has been (processed) recorded in one (or probably several environments) and reproduced in another. Its no wonder there is constant debate about what sounds good, bad natural or otherwise!

IMHO we are deluding ourselves if we think otherwise.

  

So whist we can all comment on how we perceive the music we will only ever agree on generalisations, as the experience is unique to each and every one of us.

 

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Originally Posted by wink View Post

It's probably because he likes to hear the material without the distortion from an amp which is voiced to make a headphone sound good and/or a headphone which needs an amp which isn't wire-with-gain to sound remotely like it should.

 

And, he isn't the only one to hold the truth.

 

The fact is the high fidelity community is split roughly into two sections:-

1/ Those who want their gear to be a neutral/natural as possible, and,

2/ Those who want their gear to sound a euphonic as possible.

 

The first group strive for a realistic sound, and

the second group strive for a sound that pleases them,

 

Only the first group can truly be called a High Fidelity afficionado.

 

The second group like to be called music lovers.

 

And, mostly never the twain can meet eye to eye without a bunfight.

post #577 of 663
post #578 of 663

Translation, please........

post #579 of 663

That first post's rather harsh.

I don't agree with everything that Spritzer says but he's always willing to help, especially via pms.

He's an important part of this community, nobody can deny it.
Edited by customcoco - 9/1/13 at 2:59am
post #580 of 663

They're allowed their opinion...... just don't expect me to agree with them.....

post #581 of 663
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Originally Posted by wink View Post

Translation, please........

 

By Arnaud :

 

“ I competitive career with the wise Ali , the confrontation will not bring much if not the exchanges more greenish and alienation of a very rich experiences forum.

 

Spritzer has undeniable knowledge and , even if the intentions are never neutral , these remarks are rarely devoid of meaning . His approach is that of objectivity at all costs : any performance due to technical specificities , either at the source , amplification, or transduction .

 

Without any objectivity , we quickly tend to get carried away by the imagination and get to spend more for a fuse that amplification in full. In this sense, spritzer has the merit of having feet on the ground and honesty do not go through the back of the spoon.

 

Or the bottom hurts is that , just as the technology transduction, there is not a single school for the design of electronic circuit (even if there is not so much possible variations for amplification estatique ) and Spritzer is very profondemment ink in the clan linearity foremost.

 

Personally , I know that my musical preferences different from his own , and even if I give a lot of importance to the technical / technological aspect , I am sensitive to the inexplicable , the synergy that we pass a flawless reproduction without emotion has made ​​that transports you to the music ( while being very septic miracles revenue).

 

I have had many experiences with the faithful but cold and boring electronic , as I can not stand rude transducers ( the one trick pony ) that measure terrible and polarize opinions.

 

In the end , you just realize where does each and get used to their style of response / write without much offense . After a while it identifies well personalites and naturally close to some .

 

In short : let it flow and prepare you for the next weekend ! ;)

 

Arnaud  »

 

 

By Superfred21 (Frederic)

 

“ I'm really surprised by your answer Arnaud, because the problem with Spritzer is not limited to "yes good, it is teasing it's true, but he has so much knowledge and then it is like that, it needs to be do it. "

 

We forget why people decide to come together around a passion in forums. The words "sharing", "friendliness", these words have meaning, at least for my case.

 

Spritzer plays for camp HeadAmp (Justin Wilsone and designer Kevin Guilmore).

Then it behaves with a sufficiency contempt for stakeholders who are not of the opinion that is unacceptable and the sad thing is that nobody says anything, it's normal. Fortunately, in France, on a forum like HCFR, a moderator would whistled the end of the playground for a long time.

 

So, no Arnaud, this is not just a matter of differing view on a particular source or headphone amp, but the attitude of a coarse character full of himself that does not really deserve all the attention that 'on its door.”

 

 

By Arnaud,

 

“ It is recalled to the order at that time even by a moderator. What I mean is that this situation is replicated many times in the past and it is better to ignore the final. I agree with you regarding the lack of respect, but his expertise is undeniable. Among other things, we had many crappy sellers in the past on head-fi (I believe that some do have the fraits here too - amp mc allister to give an example of estat gone wrong) and people like to know spritzer the difference between circuit and an innovative powder perlinpinpin see dangerous.

 

I preferre missing out its excess perspective and know (I do not share his opinion on the 009 for example) because I still appreciate his analysis on circuits qualities (he has seen a lot). I agree with you that he has an agenda in his remarks but actually neutral and experienced at the same time are rather rare. Just keep this in mind and do not insist on trying to convince. If a circuit worth, word of mouth will eventually work ... “

 

Rough translation by google translate of the French forum

 

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/casques-haute-fidelite/club-des-heureux-proprietaires-de-casques-stax-t29819561-4800.html


Edited by eric65 - 9/1/13 at 3:20am
post #582 of 663
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Originally Posted by wink View Post

It's probably because he likes to hear the material without the distortion from an amp which is voiced to make a headphone sound good and/or a headphone which needs an amp which isn't wire-with-gain to sound remotely like it should.

 

And, he isn't the only one to hold the truth.

 

The fact is the high fidelity community is split roughly into two sections:-

1/ Those who want their gear to be a neutral/natural as possible, and,

2/ Those who want their gear to sound a euphonic as possible.

 

The first group strive for a realistic sound, and

the second group strive for a sound that pleases them,

 

Only the first group can truly be called a High Fidelity afficionado.

 

The second group like to be called music lovers.

 

And, mostly never the twain can meet eye to eye without a bunfight.

 

There is also that I don't respond to people on my block list since I can't see their posts.  Wink does bring up a good point though but for me its mostly the difference between people who believe in engineering that those that believe in magic.  Sure these are broad strokes to paint anything but engineering meaning a rational attempt to the closest approach factoring in the physics at play and the price point.  Granted we are dealing with a very flawed system here (our hearing and interpretations of said data by the brain) so we can't strive for perfection but those limitations are well know so we can engineer to suit them.  I really can't agree that this group shouldn't be called music lovers though as in my experience they are far likely to listen to something they actually like rather then some "audiophile" material.  This group has its flaws though and that's having a too narrow a view of the world.  For instance the "bits are bits" argument about digital transmission where large issues were simply dismissed as not important.  If the impedance of the cables isn't correct and the ends not terminated properly then you are not getting the original signal.. far from it actually.  Then we have the THD obsession over everything else which is never a good idea.  It overlooks how our hearing interacts with the system. 

 

By magic I mean users who put their faith special cables, fuses, power outlets, how much something costs but often overlook that the gear isn't well designed and thus not high fidelity to the original source.  While this is well and good my main issue is that badly performing equipment shapes what you listen to without the user even realizing.  Go to any audio show and you'll see this on a huge scale.  Ask them to put on death metal and you'll get a firm no even though a well designed 5W amp driving efficient speakers should have no problem reproducing that. 

post #583 of 663
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Originally Posted by customcoco View Post


That first post's rather harsh.

I don't agree with everything that Spritzer says but he's always willing to help, especially via pms.

He's an important part of this community, nobody can deny it.

 

There are enough cultural misunderstandings here so, while we're totally out of topic and I expect a mod to delete all this, I will post my original comments and not this awful google mumbo jumbo:

 

Post 1: (responding to Eric who got offended by spritzer's style)

 

 

No point in confrontation, won't bring anything to the table besides bad after taste and alienation from a forum that's really rich and diverse overall.
 
Spritzer has undeniable knowledge and, even though he's got very personal / strong opinion on things, his remarks are rarely pointless / made without some grounds. His approach is that of an objectivist: any performance can be explain by technical specificities, be it at the source, amplifier or transducer level.
 
Without any objectivity, we soon have tendency to let our senses and imagination guide us, ending up spending more for a fuse than the amplifier as a whole. In that sense, Spritzer has his feet well on the ground and the honesty to tell it as he thinks.
 
Where this may hurt is that, like for different ways of transduction, there is no single school of thoughts for the conception of electronics (even though there aren't that many variations possible for estats) and spritzer is fundamentally entranched in the camp of linearity before all.
 
 
Personally, I know my musical tastes differ from his and, even though I do attach a great deal of importance to the technical / technological aspect, I remain open to the inexplicable, this synergy that makes you go from a faultess but dry / lifeless reproduction to something that transports you with music (while remaining very skeptical of miracle recipes).
 
I had a number of experiences with "faithfull" electronics but also cold / boring sounding, just like I hate "one trick poney" transducers with gross alterations that measure terrible and polarize opinions.
 
In the end, one simply has to realize where everyone comes from, get used to they style of writing without getting too offended by it. After a while, we discern personality and naturally get closer to some.
 
To put it short: let it go and get ready for next week's shoot out!
 
Post 2: (responding to superfred - Frederic - who thinks such kind of rude behavior is not tolerable, no matter what one's experience is / claimed to be)
A moderator is making a comment to him just now... What I meant to say is that this situation has occured a number of times before and it's just better to ignore it. I agree there is a lack of respect but his expertise is undeniable. Among other things, there have been a number of dodgy amp makers / sellers on head-fi in the past (I believe some have also been burnt on the french forum too, Mc Allister being one example of estat gone wrong) and people like spritzer know how to make the difference between innovation and sprinkle dust or fire hazard product. 
 
I prefer to ignore his excesses and know how to put things in perspective (I don't share his opinion on the 009 for instance) because I still appreciate his analysis skills on circuits (he's seen some). I agree that he's got his own agenda but, at this level of expertise, who doesn't. You just need to keep this in mind and not be stubborn trying to convince someone else. If a circuit is truly worth it, the word of mouth will speak for itself.
post #584 of 663

We need to get back on topic. 

post #585 of 663

I would LOVE to hear the Jecklin Float QA, but living here in the antipodes, and having just retired, it would mean selling a LOT of my headphone collection to buy one.

 

Ain't happening......

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