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post #526 of 663

The problem is that he assumes (as do many others) that cost means anything in this hobby and that spending more gives anything more. 

 

Btw.  I thought he was an idiot way before that ego boosting magnum opus of his.  Hell he was even on my ignore list before the site moved over to cash-in-fi. 

 

Also the snobbery for musical tastes is such utter BS.  It's just a cover for making sub par crap... "Ohh it is only meant for classical" or some such nonsense. 

post #527 of 663

As humans we are all subject to some bias or another - if its not expenditure its the feel of the cups or pads, the look on the stand, the cachet of a given brand, if something is rare/OOP/unique whatever.  He has a parallel value list which seems to imply he keeps value in consideration, just ultimately prefers one thing over the other.

 

I used to think the Edition 10 was terrible, but that really was before I found music that was sufficiently sophisticated for it.  I managed to get my hands on an obscure release by Steve Reich's grandson.  He put together a great group called "The Third Reich" and they limited their first album (a real throwback, available only as rolls to insert into player pianos) to just 10 copies.  The album, "Music for a Million Monkeys," was predicated on the well known fact that a million monkeys on a million typewriters would eventually type the complete works of Chopin.  Sitting there with my Ultrasone Edition 10 on my head, listening to endless clickety-clack of the typewriters as played by an old off-key player piano as overworked monkeys desperately tried to make musical notes with a typewriter, it slowly dawned on me just where the strengths of the Edition 10 lie and it is for a very specific genre that most have simply never experienced.  I am now specifically calibrating my listening room for this genre (figuring out how to treat walls that are already padded is a real pain) and I hope others have the same epiphany I did some day.  I think the technical term the doctors gave it was "scherzophrenia."

post #528 of 663

It's a good thing you didn't substitute Wagner for Steve Reich in your listening test.

post #529 of 663

Like I said, we all have our agendas when posting. Spend enough time on the forums and they become rather easy to spot. Sometimes people---even knowledgeable ones---get so wrapped up in those agendas they start politicking rather than actually listening, lambasting things under the guise of knowledgeability which I find far more insidious. In the case of Mahler, I got the sense he listened to everything on his list, and it resulted in some refreshing takes on stuff even if I don't agree with some of it.

 

Ego-boosting isn't a big deal in and of itself, and I seriously doubt there's any among us who undertakes endeavors and publicly post about them for purely philanthropic reasons. The point is, pragmatically speaking, a list like Mahler's can be useful if you know where he's coming from. As an end-user one should always seek out more data points rather than making any one voice an authority figure.

post #530 of 663
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Originally Posted by Radio_head View Post

I used to think the Edition 10 was terrible, but that really was before I found music that was sufficiently sophisticated for it.  I managed to get my hands on an obscure release by Steve Reich's grandson.  He put together a great group called "The Third Reich" and they limited their first album (a real throwback, available only as rolls to insert into player pianos) to just 10 copies.  The album, "Music for a Million Monkeys," was predicated on the well known fact that a million monkeys on a million typewriters would eventually type the complete works of Chopin.  Sitting there with my Ultrasone Edition 10 on my head, listening to endless clickety-clack of the typewriters as played by an old off-key player piano as overworked monkeys desperately tried to make musical notes with a typewriter, it slowly dawned on me just where the strengths of the Edition 10 lie and it is for a very specific genre that most have simply never experienced.  I am now specifically calibrating my listening room for this genre (figuring out how to treat walls that are already padded is a real pain) and I hope others have the same epiphany I did some day.  I think the technical term the doctors gave it was "scherzophrenia."

 

 

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Couldn't help but dig up Hipster Hitler for the occasion


Edited by anetode - 6/25/13 at 12:05am
post #531 of 663
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

Like I said, we all have our agendas when posting. Spend enough time on the forums and they become rather easy to spot. Sometimes people---even knowledgeable ones---get so wrapped up in those agendas they start politicking rather than actually listening, lambasting things under the guise of knowledgeability which I find far more insidious. In the case of Mahler, I got the sense he listened to everything on his list, and it resulted in some refreshing takes on stuff even if I don't agree with some of it.

 

Ego-boosting isn't a big deal in and of itself, and I seriously doubt there's any among us who undertakes endeavors and publicly post about them for purely philanthropic reasons. The point is, pragmatically speaking, a list like Mahler's can be useful if you know where he's coming from. As an end-user one should always seek out more data points rather than making any one voice an authority figure.

 

I agree.  I would only add that - like it or not - members of this ilk are actually needed in a commercial forum such as HF, which serves as both a knowledge base/decision engine for end-users and a marketplace for manufacturers.  Clearly, there are members who blur the line between the two, if not in deed (business), then in influence (knowledge), and as a result shrewdly maintain both an end-user's ability to state/claim virtually anything with impunity and a manufacturer's ability to claim marketable expertise and technical objectivity.  Why does HF need such members?  Well, it generates traffic, which increases ad-buy and therefore keeps HF alive and (probably) thriving.  Simply put, I'm willing to tolerate them in order to get the information I choose to value.  Now, would I like the voices of these members (and of their sycophants) to be balanced by equally knowledgeable and vociferous counter-voices?  Sure, but HF is a huge circus tent.  If I don't like the loud elephants pulling at each other's tails in a circle (jerk), then I'll just move on to the monkeys on the trapeze.

post #532 of 663
Quote:
Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

Like I said, we all have our agendas when posting. Spend enough time on the forums and they become rather easy to spot. Sometimes people---even knowledgeable ones---get so wrapped up in those agendas they start politicking rather than actually listening, lambasting things under the guise of knowledgeability which I find far more insidious. In the case of Mahler, I got the sense he listened to everything on his list, and it resulted in some refreshing takes on stuff even if I don't agree with some of it.

 

Ego-boosting isn't a big deal in and of itself, and I seriously doubt there's any among us who undertakes endeavors and publicly post about them for purely philanthropic reasons. The point is, pragmatically speaking, a list like Mahler's can be useful if you know where he's coming from. As an end-user one should always seek out more data points rather than making any one voice an authority figure.

 

Yes I have to give him props just based on the effort and scope of his magnum opus review. While it's as necessarily subjective as any other headphone review, it's true value is having all of these headphones compared so thoroughly by a single set of ears out of a common signal chain. The ranking system and pros/cons of each headphone is what polarizes the most people but I think that they are missing the point.

post #533 of 663

36 pages and a thousand words!
Why?
The correct setup:

Intelligence!

A clear head!

Feeling for music!

2 ears with function!

If they have that, they can judge. Important! Properly judge!

Without that, they can not. Absolutely nothing!

You can write 10,000 words and explain, explain, explain ...

The problem is. Do not know that one or more points are missing. "See above - the 4 points"

That's all. So simple.


Edited by michaelxray - 7/16/13 at 4:55am
post #534 of 663
Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelxray View Post

36 pages and a thousand words!
Why?
The correct setup:

Intelligence!

A clear head!

Feeling for music!

2 ears with function!

If they have that, they can judge. Important! Properly judge!

Without that, they can not. Absolutely nothing!

You can write 10,000 words and explain, explain, explain ...

The problem is. Do not know that one or more points are missing. "See above - the 4 points"

That's all. So simple.


OK

post #535 of 663

Could I please get a roll call of the speaker amps current owners are using with the Float?  What type/specs are recommended to match the Float?  

 

Would anyone be able to provide a Float vs SR-009 comparison?  I realize amps would be different, but am interested in how different/similar they sound when properly amp'ed.

      My setup is Zotl ZH230 Amplifier + Zotl Preone preamplifier.  The jumper cable is NBS.

      I have a feeling that using Tube amplifier may be more appropriate than solid state.

      I have listened to the Jecklin float QA with this setup comparing with SR009 driven by Aristaeus amplifier.  With the settings mentioned

I prefer the new Jecklin Float QA than the SR009 due to its transparency, microdetail and soundstage.   I use the new Jecklin Float for most of my music listening

except baroque classical music and some audiophile vocal which I use SR009.   Aristaeus amplifier is very good but may not be the best amplifier for SR009 , DIY T2

should be better.  For Rock music which I seldom listen too I use takeT H2+, I also drive it by connecting with the Jecklin transformer to the transformer of takeT H2+ with NBS jumpers.

      I think Quad Musik  also have several Quad amplifers to use with the new Jecklin Float QA.

post #536 of 663

Could I please get a roll call of the speaker amps current owners are using with the Float?  What type/specs are recommended to match the Float?  

 

Would anyone be able to provide a Float vs SR-009 comparison?  I realize amps would be different, but am interested in how different/similar they sound when properly amp'ed.

      My setup is Zotl ZH230 Amplifier + Zotl Preone preamplifier.  The jumper cable is NBS.

      I have a feeling that using Tube amplifier may be more appropriate than solid state.

      I have listened to the Jecklin float QA with this setup comparing with SR009 driven by Aristaeus amplifier.  With the settings mentioned

I prefer the new Jecklin Float QA than the SR009 due to its transparency, microdetail and soundstage.   I use the new Jecklin Float for most of my music listening

except baroque classical music and some audiophile vocal which I use SR009.   Aristaeus amplifier is very good but may not be the best amplifier for SR009 , DIY T2

should be better.  For Rock music which I seldom listen too I use takeT H2+, I also drive it by connecting with the Jecklin transformer to the transformer of takeT H2+ with NBS jumpers.

      I think Quad Musik  also have several Quad amplifers to use with the new Jecklin Float QA.

post #537 of 663

I was using a Pioneer SX-950.  I'm currently thinking about other options.

 

I corresponded with Quad last week about recommended power and Manfred said that while 15W was adequate, 30W was preferred. 

post #538 of 663

And,    100 watts is bliss.

post #539 of 663
I can't argue with that!
post #540 of 663

QUADfestwochen. In September 2013 again it is worth to visit QUAD Musikwiedergabe in Gering. The good thing is that they turned the well known QUADfest into QUADfestwochen. Means two weeks for visiting them. Decide what you are interested in. They offer an “open door day”, you can visit them with your electrostatic and they will check the ESL`s right when you are around the  company and there are special days to get familiar with the new Jecklin Float QA products.

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