New Jecklin Float QA !!! - Page 14

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Originally Posted by Radio_head 
 

yup.  there's nothing to fear.

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Originally Posted by juantendo8 

No objective data = no purchase. This is something that should be expected past a certain price range. If they come later, than I wouldn't worry until then. (Unless we're adventurous like you, MF.) I've seen too many failure headphones hailed as the second coming of Christ to put much worth on pure hearsay. I do appreciate concise and informational subjective impressions, however. You know, the ones without a million synonyms for "nice sounding".

Yes. I wait very long for the time when the ears are unnecessary. It would be nice if these unreliable instruments no longer need to hear.

Maybe I experience this time still, where the ears can be turned off completely.

I imagine will have 20 units with screen. Where does the music - frequencies, diagrams, amplitudes, ...

Finally something reliable. Get away from the unreliable ears.

I am happy - what an interesting idea.

"The trick here is knowing that objective and subjective evaluation happen in two different domains, and one has to have an open mind to bring in information from both without feeling conflicted. If a person falls too strongly into one camp or the other, their viewpoint bias may override the ability to see valid points of the other viewpoint. The question is how to keep both valid viewpoints at the same time.

""Der Trick dabei ist, zu wissen, dass objektive und subjektive Beurteilung geschieht in zwei verschiedenen Domänen, und man hat einen offenen Geist zu Informationen aus beiden zu bringen, ohne das Gefühl Konflikt haben. Wenn eine Person zu stark fällt in ein Lager oder dem anderen, ihren Standpunkt Bias kann überschreiben die Fähigkeit, gültige Punkte des anderen Blickwinkel zu sehen. die Frage ist, wie man sowohl gültige Standpunkte zur gleichen Zeit zu halten. "

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Originally Posted by michaelxray 

Yes. I wait very long for the time when the ears are unnecessary. It would be nice if these unreliable instruments no longer need to hear.

Maybe I experience this time still, where the ears can be turned off completely.

I imagine will have 20 units with screen. Where does the music - frequencies, diagrams, amplitudes, ...

Finally something reliable. Get away from the unreliable ears.

I am happy - what an interesting idea.

^ROFL!

Originally Posted by Radio_head 
I have a lot of respect for the work of a Tyll.

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Originally Posted by fishski13 

yup.  there's nothing to fear.

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Originally Posted by complin 

"The trick here is knowing that objective and subjective evaluation happen in two different domains, and one has to have an open mind to bring in information from both without feeling conflicted. If a person falls too strongly into one camp or the other, their viewpoint bias may override the ability to see valid points of the other viewpoint. The question is how to keep both valid viewpoints at the same time.

 

""Der Trick dabei ist, zu wissen, dass objektive und subjektive Beurteilung geschieht in zwei verschiedenen Domänen, und man hat einen offenen Geist zu Informationen aus beiden zu bringen, ohne das Gefühl Konflikt haben. Wenn eine Person zu stark fällt in ein Lager oder dem anderen, ihren Standpunkt Bias kann überschreiben die Fähigkeit, gültige Punkte des anderen Blickwinkel zu sehen. die Frage ist, wie man sowohl gültige Standpunkte zur gleichen Zeit zu halten. "

 

Nice words, nice picture.

The trick is:

To maintain good technique and work with this technology then.

Work!

Browse for anything in the world and you'll see: Nothing comes from nothing.

A racing driver is not automatically good because he has a good car.

He needs to learn. Even as a child.

A person is not automatically creative because he has a good instrument.

The perception of a person is not necessarily good because he has a good pair of headphones. You can then see all the charts in the world, it will not help.

Work!

People write in forums, as an example: Wow, I've heard Stax XY it was bad.

Iron Maiden is not fun.

There lies the problem, if they understand.

No one can decide for 1000 people. The majority of hifi-owners like bad sound. The more bad sound, the better. And then Iron Maiden is suddenly okay. Because the bass is fat enough. The electric guitar smashed the eardrum. It's noisy. But it's good then.

This is one example of many.

Since they have the problem today.

And that's why they have 1000 opinions.

What do they believe, why pay someone a few thousand dollars or euros?

Zappa or so Santana is interesting?

No, this is also possible, for much less money.

Systems, such as Stax or Jecklin are systems that are not built so that 1000 people can organize their private circus on the globe.

Since they have the biggest problem. They describe these two levels, without knowing it.

When I look at the nonsense that is written for years in forums about Stax, I see the levels clearly.

That has nothing to do with the fact that people interact with slightly different quality. It has to do with the fact that the wrong people have the wrong equipment in the hands.

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Originally Posted by michaelxray 

When I look at the nonsense that is written for years in forums about Stax, I see the levels clearly.

 

Like the nonsense you just wrote? hardly... Yours is "better".

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Originally Posted by Amarphael 

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Like the nonsense you just wrote? hardly... Yours is "better".

Long story short.

Each person forges his own happiness.

If the float for a person of interest, they will listen to him. If not, okay.

Pretty simple, right?

Forget whether it is HiFi or not.

The ruling paradigm here seems to be "Whatever FLOATS your boat..."

Yes I got especially dressed up and trimmed my beard for this picture 

The words are Tyll's

I happen to like Zappa, Santana, Bon Jovi, Biffy Clyro

I also like Weather report, Michael Brecker, Duke Ellington, Frank Sinatra, as well as Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven, Elgar, Thoms Tallis ................ the list goes on.  In fact I like a very broad range of music even though i'll soon be 63!.

You seem to be implying that for some people using Stax with their musical tastes is like throwing pearls before swine  If that's your opinion it's a very arrogant one.

Good headphones like Stax/Jecklin are not the preserve of one elite genre of music, they are there to be enjoyed all even though we personally may not appreciate it.

You say "People write in forums, as an example: Wow, I've heard Stax XY it was bad.".  Similarly people write in forums that the QA Float is the best headphone in the world, so why would your comment have more veracity than the one's you dismiss?

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Originally Posted by michaelxray 

Nice words, nice picture.

 

Zappa or so Santana is interesting?

 

People write in forums, as an example: Wow, I've heard Stax XY it was bad.

 

Somebody put a bullet in this thread and put it out of its misery.  We have long since stopped sharing about the excitement about another new piece of equipment.  If there is a problem it is not so much about a false dichotomy between determining the efficacy or sound quality of the QA based solely on measurements or having had the opportunity to have heard them but an inability to let someone hold an opposing opinion.  It is tiresome to have to revisit such discussions as there is nothing new in them. 

This thread has only done damage to this product's reputation, IMO. It's kind of sad.

When I get mine in, any impressions I post will be in a new thread.

That will be great.  I know that some are also on their way to Asia and Pacific rim.  I have seen very little comment so far on any of the European forums. 

As I said earlier in the thread, once we get a larger body of opinion and actual side by side comparisons with known competitive headphones, its going to be easier to understand the strengths and weaknesses of the new QA Float. 

Perhaps those of you who live US side of the pond can lend Tyll a pair so he can do some measuring .  I'm sure this could prove quite a challenge due to the lack of ear pads and sealing to the head.

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Originally Posted by MuppetFace 

This thread has only done damage to this product's reputation, IMO. It's kind of sad.

 

When I get mine in, any impressions I post will be in a new thread.

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Originally Posted by Sam73 

  But we speak again when the first Owners write here and the first Reviews come.

 

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Originally Posted by complin 
Perhaps those of you who live US side of the pond can lend Tyll a pair so he can do some measuring .  I'm sure this could prove quite a challenge due to the lack of ear pads and sealing to the head.

I feel the opposite, no pad, no sealing issue (critical for stax and audeze phones for example). The cans are huge too so probably not as sensitive to positioning as some other stuff.