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@Kiats:

 

Hi, may I know if the Uber cable is suitable for FitEar (C)IEMS?

 

I've heard of its 'legendary' capabilities, especially with its pairing with the 1+2, so I was wondering whether this will triumph the very best of the Toxic cable line-up.

 

Also, how did you find find the SQ of the AK240, vs the HM-901? Is the former a huge step up from the latter? 


Edited by ATSCODE - 4/8/14 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by ATSCODE View Post

@Kiats
:

Hi, may I know if the Uber cable is suitable for FitEar (C)IEMS?

I've heard of its 'legendary' capabilities, especially with its pairing with the 1+2, so I was wondering whether this will triumph the very best of the Toxic cable line-up.

Also, how did you find find the SQ of the AK240, vs the HM-901? Is the former a huge step up from the latter? 

Firstly, yes it is. Tralucent can make it with Fitear connectors. In fact, I have heard it with the 435. It lives up to its reputation.

As for the comparison with the best Toxic Cables cable, I am not in a position to judge because I have not had the pleasure if hearing the Venom. Unless Frank decides he will make one. smily_headphones1.gif

As for the AK240 vs HM901: no, it is not an improvement. For me, it was more a sideway movement in very good SQ. The AK240 is very flat and neutral. While the HM901 is also very detailed and transparent but with a slight mid forwardness making it sound a bit richer.

Apologies if this above doesn't assist. smily_headphones1.gif
post #2598 of 3621
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Originally Posted by Kiats View Post

Firstly, yes it is. Tralucent can make it with Fitear connectors. In fact, I have heard it with the 435. It lives up to its reputation.

As for the comparison with the best Toxic Cables cable, I am not in a position to judge because I have not had the pleasure if hearing the Venom. Unless Frank decides he will make one. smily_headphones1.gif

As for the AK240 vs HM901: no, it is not an improvement. For me, it was more a sideway movement in very good SQ. The AK240 is very flat and neutral. While the HM901 is also very detailed and transparent but with a slight mid forwardness making it sound a bit richer.

Apologies if this above doesn't assist. smily_headphones1.gif

 

So how did it fare with the various Toxic Cables that you've tried with the 435? Is it really that better? I'm curious as to what kind of improvements the Uber Cable gives to the c(iem).

 

The Venom? Is that a new cable lined up in Frank's inventory? Any idea what's its composition?

 

I see. The price of the AK240 is also a huge turn-off, but as a complete package (SQ, UI, Build, etc), but do you find it worth every cent spent?

 

O, no, it was very helpful indeed. I'm still very new to this hobby so I'm looking around for opinions so that I could plan well for my next upgrade. :)

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Does upgrading the DAC + Amp have a substantial effect on the improvement in sound quality or does it more significantly change the overall sound signature?
With CIEMs I would presume that there would be a minor difference as they drive easily so improvement of the DAC would help more but how much is this improvement from say a smartphone for example?
Edited by Lukalop - 4/8/14 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

Does upgrading the DAC + Amp have a substantial effect on the improvement in sound quality or does it more significantly change the overall sound signature?
With CIEMs I would presume that there would be a minor difference as they drive easily so improvement of the DAC would help more but how much is this improvement from say a smartphone for example?

It's a pretty slight difference. Audible with a quiet environment, but if in a busy setting, you wont notice.
Id focus on the CIEMs first, then the source if you're really picky. With my music, a smartphone works just fine. Although i still use the ZX1 as a standalone device.
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It's a pretty slight difference. Audible with a quiet environment, but if in a busy setting, you wont notice.
Id focus on the CIEMs first, then the source if you're really picky. With my music, a smartphone works just fine. Although i still use the ZX1 as a standalone device.

Got it
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

Does upgrading the DAC + Amp have a substantial effect on the improvement in sound quality or does it more significantly change the overall sound signature?
With CIEMs I would presume that there would be a minor difference as they drive easily so improvement of the DAC would help more but how much is this improvement from say a smartphone for example?

 

Amplification isn't just about power though. You've the the "cleanliness" of current to worry about, the consistency at which the current is delivered, signal-to-noise ratio, etc - most of which is way over my head, to be honest. If anything, I'd say the sensitive IEMs pose their own set of challenges to amp makers. I've even heard hiss (though minimal) from some portable amps with my 335DW as well.

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Amplification isn't just about power though. You've the the "cleanliness" of current to worry about, the consistency at which the current is delivered, signal-to-noise ratio, etc - most of which is way over my head, to be honest. If anything, I'd say the sensitive IEMs pose their own set of challenges to amp makers. I've even heard hiss (though minimal) from some portable amps with my 335DW as well.

I like that they are sensitive as I like hearing all the minute details (i.e if there is a really low sound portrayed on a track it can be picked up on)
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Interesting
I like that they are sensitive as I like hearing all the minute details (i.e if there is a really low sound portrayed on a track it can be picked up on)

 

When I said hiss I wasn't talking about minute details from the recorded track (white-noise, tape hiss, vinyl crackle, etc), but "electrically induced" hiss from the player or amp.

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So does being sensitive not add detail?
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So does being sensitive not add detail?

Sensitive just means that it doesn't require alot of power to drive it. AKA sensitive to amplification. You would need "sensitive" amplification to be paired up with "sensitive" earphones in order to get rid of some of the hissing noise you will hear. Overamp=hiss. Underamped=not bringing an earphone to its full potential (rarely the case for in ears)

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Originally Posted by ATSCODE View Post
 

 

So how did it fare with the various Toxic Cables that you've tried with the 435? Is it really that better? I'm curious as to what kind of improvements the Uber Cable gives to the c(iem).

 

The Venom? Is that a new cable lined up in Frank's inventory? Any idea what's its composition?

 

I see. The price of the AK240 is also a huge turn-off, but as a complete package (SQ, UI, Build, etc), but do you find it worth every cent spent?

 

O, no, it was very helpful indeed. I'm still very new to this hobby so I'm looking around for opinions so that I could plan well for my next upgrade. :)

 

ATSCODE,

 

What the Tralucent does is that the trebles are not sibilant at all and are airy and spacious. The mids are rich because it is a bit more forward. The bass is deep and impactful. In all of this, the sound you get is very smooth. The other thing about it is the soundstage is probably the best I have heard - wide, deep and high - the instrument separation is very clear.

 

The Venom is Frank's flagship cable. The one I can see in his webpage is the one with a solid silver core: http://www.toxic-cables.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=57. Of Frank's cables, it is quite common knowledge that my particular weakness is for the Black Widow which is copper litz. If you like an organic and musical sig, then this is the cable for you. It works beautifully with the 435, MH334 and 333. The TG334 and F111 as well. 

 

My advice is either to have a listen to the stock 001 cable first and then decide what is it you want that you think you are missing. Then you can make an informed decision. If you think it fit, you can always reach out to me at that point in time. I would of course be happy to assist.

 

Whether you find the AK 240 is worth the asking price is a difficult question to answer. I elected to get it because it brings with it a neutral sound, which I do like. Another selling point is the native DSD capability - no more on the fly conversion. Finally, the other important consideration is the MQS streaming capability so that I can stream the files from my music library whether they be WAVs, FLACs, ALACs or DSFs with no perceptible loss of SQ. All these are something you will not find elsewhere in the same bundle.

 

So, if you are not fussed about the UI, form or any of the above, and you are only concerned about the SQ, then it may be that the HM 901 or 802 may be what you may wish to consider. Do remember that with the HMs, the amp component can be changed easily with the different amp cards - the standard, classic, IEM, balanced and minibox amp cards. I won't even start to talk about the DIY amp cards floating around China or elsewhere. 

 

In a sense, the decision on the above may be determined or at least influenced by your choice of Fitears. Go and have a demo if you haven't. That would be helpful in your decision making process. :atsmile: 

post #2608 of 3621
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Originally Posted by Lukalop View Post

So does being sensitive not add detail?

 

IMHO, the FitEars are detailed but in a rather natural way. i.e. you can hear detail without being analytical. They're still musical and have some warmth to the signature rather than sounding sterile and surgical.

post #2609 of 3621
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

 

IMHO, the FitEars are detailed but in a rather natural way. i.e. you can hear detail without being analytical. They're still musical and have some warmth to the signature rather than sounding sterile and surgical.

 

+1

 

AnakChan is right on the money: even the C435 which is arguably the most transparent of the Fitear range of CIEMs still has slightly sweet mids. Compared to the 435, for example, the UM Miracle, which is going for a similar signature, comes off sounding a bit "dry" by comparison.

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For those who are pondering a cable for your Fitear, please allow me to throw into the mix the new Toxic Cables Gold Plated Silver Poison. Just received it today. Mine comes with 2.5mm balanced termination. Initial impressions are that it sounds as good as it looks! smily_headphones1.gif

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