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post #1606 of 3988
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Originally Posted by Sil3nce View Post


 bass is lighter on the T1.
 

There is such a difference of opinion about this. 50% feel T1 has better bass & 50% feel T90 has better.

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Originally Posted by punit View Post

There is such a difference of opinion about this. 50% feel T1 has better bass & 50% feel T90 has better.

I wasn't talking about the bass quality. Just that the T90 has more quantity. Both hits hard in terms of impact. Coherency, however, goes to the T1. Both are great in terms of dynamics.
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After owning the T90's for a couple of months and the T1's for the weekend.....the T90 is not 95% of what the T1's are.....im sorry, im not sure where this started. Admittedly you can get this impression if you test side by side because they have similar characteristics, and I fell into this trap and believed this, but if you sit down and listen to the T1's they are in a different ballpark, which is understandable given the price.

 

I think the T90's are more like 65%-70% of what the T1's are. If you like the T90's, the T1 takes everything great about them, and adds a sense of warmth, texture, refinement across the range (particularly the highs), instrument separation, deeper/quality bass, imaging ect. 

 

I know this is a T90 appreciation thread, and they are great headphones, but that 95% comparisons is just misleading, and im at fault to for saying it previously in the thread too, I just wanted to really clear that up for anyone wanting to know the difference between the two.  


Edited by Flognuts - 2/2/14 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by Flognuts View Post

After owning the T90's for a couple of months and the T1's for the weekend.....the T90 is not 95% of what the T1's are.....im sorry, im not sure where this started. Admittedly you can get this impression if you test side by side because they have similar characteristics, and I fell into this trap and believed this, but if you sit down and listen to the T1's they are in a different ballpark, which is understandable given the price.

I think the T90's are more like 65%-70% of what the T1's are. If you like the T90's, the T1 takes everything great about them, and adds a sense of warmth, texture, refinement across the range (particularly the highs), instrument separation, deeper/quality bass, imaging ect. 

I know this is a T90 appreciation thread, and they are great headphones, but that 95% comparisons is just misleading, and im at fault to for saying it previously in the thread too, I just wanted to really clear that up for anyone wanting to know the difference between the two.  

The 65-70 percent is just exaggerated. No headphone is that much better when it comes down to great headphones like the T90
This is precisely why I put in a disclaimer saying the T1 scales better. On mediocre setups, and not very revealing sources, the T90 does everything the T1 can do to my ears.
Also, you stated you've only owned the T1s for the weekend. Probably why. Romance is a pretty thing at first (:
And, you no longer own the T90s. Correct?
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They are sold....but still In my possession. ...I listened to the t1s for the entire weekend and before packing the t90s up gave them one last listen.......they two are different beasts to my ears.
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+1 I totally agree 65 to 70 percent tops. I own both of them, and now have my T90s for sale on Amazon. . sorry to burst some bubbles out there
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While I've never heard the T1, I owned the HD800 and T90 at the same time (before I sold the T90). Since the T1 is in conversation  with the Hd800, I can only assume it is comparable. The HD800 is straight up better than the T90 in everything. I think when you have to EQ a headphone there's something wrong with the headphone. That's not to say the T90 is bad. Just not as good as TOTL headphones like HD800 and probably T1. I wish only there was a neutral treble version of the T90, and I think it would be the best mid-fi headphone out there.

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How far can you push these before bass distortion? I am curious if I may have a bad unit?
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I'm curious where people are pulling numbers like 65-70 percent out from? 

95 percent is reasonable, considering there really isn't much improvement when you get to the margins of high-end audio. 

Can you really state that there's up to a 30 percent improvement going from the T90s to the T1? I, for one, am not able to make such a bold statement. 

I will be happy to respect your opinions though, provided whoever makes such a statement actually provides proof of what setup and source they're utilizing.

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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

While I've never heard the T1, I owned the HD800 and T90 at the same time (before I sold the T90). Since the T1 is in conversation  with the Hd800, I can only assume it is comparable. The HD800 is straight up better than the T90 in everything. I think when you have to EQ a headphone there's something wrong with the headphone. That's not to say the T90 is bad. Just not as good as TOTL headphones like HD800 and probably T1. I wish only there was a neutral treble version of the T90, and I think it would be the best mid-fi headphone out there.
What about hps that require a mod(anax mod) to tame treble? I'd rather eq. Just saying.
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post


What about hps that require a mod(anax mod) to tame treble? I'd rather eq. Just saying.


The T90 has no place to talk about treble problems. And I have no problems with HD800 treble. Probably due to amping and my chain. I do like the HD800 to be such an amp dependent headphone because it makes it very malleable to personal desires. Still the T90 EQed sounds pretty good. I guess this community is just against EQing for some reason.

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I'm not saying the t90s don't have an issue but rather pointing out that even totl hps have their quirks as well. eqing should not be as sacrilegious as you make it out to be.
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

I'm not saying the t90s don't have an issue but rather pointing out that even totl hps have their quirks as well. eqing should not be as sacrilegious as you make it out to be.


I have no problems with EQing. I preferred the T90 EQed when I had it. I think this community looks down on it for some reason. Anyways, at this point in my journey, I'm more about technicalities than the signature. The signature can be adjusted through EQing or components in your chain, but things like soundstage of details can't really be improved through EQ or your chain. The T90 will never beat out the HD800 in details or soundstage. That's why I like the HD800 despite it's inherent signature flaws. It has the technical superiorities, and I can just adjust my chain or EQ it to my liking, while retaining the details and soundstage. There are some things that are easy to adjust and improve, and other things that are not so easy and more reliant on the base characteristics of the headphone itself.

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Wait, I'm confused, the text I quoted from you said, " I think when you have to EQ a headphone there's something wrong with the headphone." but you have nothing against eqing?
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

Wait, I'm confused, the text I quoted from you said, " I think when you have to EQ a headphone there's something wrong with the headphone." but you have nothing against eqing?

"Have to" are the key words here. Imo the T90 is pretty much a have to. I believe EQ is okay for your personal preference, but a good headphone should have a stock sound that isn't too disagreeable to a large number of people where EQ is a must. When a particular headphone has a large percentage of people EQing, and especially for a specific frequency, then it's obvious that the sound signature of the headphone should have adjusted for that frequency in the first place.

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