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post #646 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

Reviewers do not get to keep the product. They are returned to the manufacturer of we can purchase the product if we choose too and in most cases nit even the demo unit. Where you can come up saying  tihat review get free samples is just plain wrong. The T9o.  I have here  has to be returned in June.   I just shipped a Stax 009 back to the manufacturer. Do you really think companies are in business to give out free review samples? Your a very naive person and not well informed.biggrin.gif  Plus we are responsible for the safe return also.

 

 

And what do you do in order receive a test sample for a review?

post #647 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

Reviewers do not get to keep the product. They are returned to the manufacturer of we can purchase the product if we choose too and in most cases nit even the demo unit. Where you can come up saying  tihat review get free samples is just plain wrong. The T9o.  I have here  has to be returned in June.   I just shipped a Stax 009 back to the manufacturer. Do you really think companies are in business to give out free review samples? Your a very naive person and not well informed.biggrin.gif   Plus we are responsible for the safe return also.

Some companies dom For example I got a test sample of a Thermaltake mouse and I was told it was mine after I did the review. For high-end audio I'd think that it would be rare for that to happen though.

On another note; I just wanted to make sure I was clear with my review of the T90s. It is the best sounding headphone that I've heard so far and I do think it's worth the asking price. It's just not what I'm looking for sound wise, though the more I listen the more it become clear that it's closer to my ideal than my STAX. The two headphones are complete opposites in sound and are doing a great job of showing each others' shortcomings much to my wallet's misfortune. It's funny while I did say I prefer my STAX as I'm thinking of what headphone I want to try next I'm finding certain aspects of the Beyers that I think I'll miss. I can't really say the same for my STAX. They're like Grados. Fun and propulsive but the more I A/B the more details I notice I'm missing. And in a direct comparission it's a toss up. Sometimes the STAX sound more 'fun'; sometimes 'un-natural'.

I'm not sure if it's burn-in or not but maybe I am still judging them too quickly. And I'm still confused how some find these too trebly... you guys may not want to try STAX, Grado, or *ouch* Ultrasone. tongue.gif
post #648 of 2225
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

 

 

And what do you do in order receive a test sample for a review?

I review for a magazine.

post #649 of 2225
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Originally Posted by MohawkUS View Post


Some companies dom For example I got a test sample of a Thermaltake mouse and I was told it was mine after I did the review. For high-end audio I'd think that it would be rare for that to happen though.

On another note; I just wanted to make sure I was clear with my review of the T90s. It is the best sounding headphone that I've heard so far and I do think it's worth the asking price. It's just not what I'm looking for sound wise, though the more I listen the more it become clear that it's closer to my ideal than my STAX. The two headphones are complete opposites in sound and are doing a great job of showing each others' shortcomings much to my wallet's misfortune. It's funny while I did say I prefer my STAX as I'm thinking of what headphone I want to try next I'm finding certain aspects of the Beyers that I think I'll miss. I can't really say the same for my STAX. They're like Grados. Fun and propulsive but the more I A/B the more details I notice I'm missing. And in a direct comparission it's a toss up. Sometimes the STAX sound more 'fun'; sometimes 'un-natural'.

I'm not sure if it's burn-in or not but maybe I am still judging them too quickly. And I'm still confused how some find these too trebly... you guys may not want to try STAX, Grado, or *ouch* Ultrasone. tongue.gif

I see what your  talking about but the gear I am reviewing for the most part is not cheap. I have  the 2K Sennheiser new amp here and  they would not let me keep it. I had ti buy a new model not even would they sell me the demo model. I have speakers here for review and they are on a 60 day limit. I may be able to extend them for another 30 days if need be. The T90 is here for 60 days and if I decide to buy them I have to pay. If there was free stuff to get it would be low end stuff that Dagogo is not interested in publishing reviews on.  I also may be reviewing a 6700.00  and no company is going to let you keep it. Plus these reviews take lots of time to do properly.

post #650 of 2225
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I see what your  talking about but the gear I am reviewing for the most part is not cheap. I have  the 2K Sennheiser new amp here and  they would not let me keep it. I had ti buy a new model not even would they sell me the demo model. I have speakers here for review and they are on a 60 day limit. I may be able to extend them for another 30 days if need be. The T90 is here for 60 days and if I decide to buy them I have to pay. If there was free stuff to get it would be low end stuff that Dagogo is not interested in publishing reviews on.  I also may be reviewing a 6700.00  and no company is going to let you keep it. Plus these reviews take lots of time to do properly.

Exactly. I wouldn't expect an audio company to let someone just keep something after the review period. This is something that is done more often with stuff like computer mice(that cost at most maybe $10 to make). I'm sorry if it came off that I was disagreeing with you. That was not the intent.
post #651 of 2225
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Exactly. I wouldn't expect an audio company to let someone just keep something after the review period. This is something that is done more often with stuff like computer mice(that cost at most maybe $10 to make). I'm sorry if it came off that I was disagreeing with you. That was not the intent.

LOL I know you were not disagreeing with me. There is the guy above who thinks all reviews get all there gear for free.  Just think right now I have three amps running onto my Oppo BDP 95 and burning in one amp and one pair of speakers to get ready for the reviews in house. my house looks like a warehouse with stuff coming and  going back. It is a chore keeping track of all the gear I have and to put the schedules together to write the reviews.


Edited by Frank I - 5/25/13 at 6:24am
post #652 of 2225
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Well I don't think it applies to reviews on head-fi since they're mostly written by people who buy their own products. But i've written a negative review of a certain nuforce product a while ago after which a nuforce representative basically ripped me apart with his comment calling me inexperienced and a troll, and threatened me to "change my mind" or else "i'll suffer the consequences", after which I basically deleted my posts to get him off my back. Even though they're not a head-fi sponsor, companies will do all they can to keep people from thinking anything bad about their products, which might in any way affect their sales. I guess the sponsors would be even more direct and rigorous.

 

i always feel like theres always some pressure to not write negative reviews about products a company sends you to review cause of stuff like this, regardless of what they say, its still there. though i guess its also the reviewer's job to make sure to list pros/cons, but to remain positive throughout the review. i dunno what happens when a product truly does suck though, would they contact the company and tell them what they think before any review is published? 


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 5/25/13 at 5:12am
post #653 of 2225

Really keen on trying the T90. How is the imaging accuracy compare to DT880's?

post #654 of 2225
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i always feel like theres always some pressure to not write negative reviews about products a company sends you to review cause of stuff like this, regardless of what they say, its still there. though i guess its also the reviewer's job to make sure to list pros/cons, but to remain positive throughout the review. i dunno what happens when a product truly does suck though, would they contact the company and tell them what they think before any review is published? 

I can only speak for myself.   When I agree to do a review on a product the companies know I write a honest review. I keep in contact with the company while I am doing the review to get the information I need to write the review properly.  When I find issues with the product I contact the manufacturer and let them know what I have found to be a negative. This was the case when I reviewed the audio GD NFB6 for Kingwa. My review was considered by the people who like audio gd products to be negative. My finding had Kingwa make design changes to his product and i took a lot of heat for writing that review but it was hones. I brought out the better points of the design but I mentioned all that was wrong with that amplifier

 

The manufacturer also know that once I accept the product it will be reviewed.  The review will include exactly what I heard. In all my product review  most of the products I accept for review are from companies that are known for building some good product but they can also stumble. I will be writing a review in the next month or so that will be from a company that has a product that I feel misses most of the marks in a product in it price category and is outdistanced by other products priced similar.  The company know some of my finding already and that review will be very honest as well.

 

Fortunately there are not many high end products that really are poorly designed but if I get one to review and I know the findings will be a negative I will write it as I hear it. The Beyer T90 review I will be writing shortly and the T90 is one of the products where Beyerdynamic has hit the mark. Some of my comments regarding  the T90 are in my WA7 review, a product I found exceptional.


Edited by Frank I - 5/27/13 at 6:33am
post #655 of 2225

sounds like the T90 is an awesome headphone like the T1. hopefully i can hear it some day.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 5/25/13 at 3:52pm
post #656 of 2225

Don't know if this review of the T90 has been posted here but here it is (again?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4r0Hd1OsRI

I'm not a fan (at all) of his reviews but it's a review and it has its place in this thread

post #657 of 2225
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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno View Post

Don't know if this review of the T90 has been posted here but here it is (again?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4r0Hd1OsRI

I'm not a fan (at all) of his reviews but it's a review and it has its place in this thread

 

Yes thats the review that convinced me to buy the T90s. Why don't you like him?

post #658 of 2225

Thanks for linking to the review. I think the review in itself is good but judging a headphone based on the first 2-3 hours of listening is not really a trustworthy review for me. I have been impressed by many headphones through the years after the first quick listen (GS1000, Shure SE535 and K701 for instance) but after buying them and living with them for a while they became irritating or I started to notice something was missing. On the other hand headphones that did not impress at first listen have become my long time favorites (HD650, T5p, T70, ER-4S etc.) Maybe I am just too slow to hear things but at least I have found that getting to know a headphone takes more than just a few days or even a few weeks.

post #659 of 2225
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Originally Posted by rasmushorn View Post

Thanks for linking to the review. I think the review in itself is good but judging a headphone based on the first 2-3 hours of listening is not really a trustworthy review for me. I have been impressed by many headphones through the years after the first quick listen (GS1000, Shure SE535 and K701 for instance) but after buying them and living with them for a while they became irritating or I started to notice something was missing. On the other hand headphones that did not impress at first listen have become my long time favorites (HD650, T5p, T70, ER-4S etc.) Maybe I am just too slow to hear things but at least I have found that getting to know a headphone takes more than just a few days or even a few weeks.

 

 I like the T90 so much that I'm looking for a pair of T70p for portable use. But I haven't seen anyone comparing them. I know the charts show they are different but I'm hoping the closed back design would compensate a little. So the T5P maybe a better comparison but 1400.00 for iPod use is a little silly.

post #660 of 2225
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Originally Posted by TJ Max View Post

 

Yes thats the review that convinced me to buy the T90s. Why don't you like him?

 

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Originally Posted by rasmushorn View Post

Thanks for linking to the review. I think the review in itself is good but judging a headphone based on the first 2-3 hours of listening is not really a trustworthy review for me. I have been impressed by many headphones through the years after the first quick listen (GS1000, Shure SE535 and K701 for instance) but after buying them and living with them for a while they became irritating or I started to notice something was missing. On the other hand headphones that did not impress at first listen have become my long time favorites (HD650, T5p, T70, ER-4S etc.) Maybe I am just too slow to hear things but at least I have found that getting to know a headphone takes more than just a few days or even a few weeks.

 

That's one of the reasons. I don't like his style but even more important is I own or have reviewed several headphones he made a video of and I just can not agree with his findings at all. Of course I haven't watched all his videos, so I'm sure I would agree with some of them but just can't place him under the "to be trusted to buy" category. sorry :)

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