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post #601 of 2309
@mohawkus.. Having owned the T90, and now own the LCD-2, I can say the LCD definitely does not lack impact in the bass region!! But now, I want my T90 back to supplement it...!
post #602 of 2309
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Originally Posted by migasson View Post

@mohawkus.. Having owned the T90, and now own the LCD-2, I can say the LCD definitely does not lack impact in the bass region!! But now, I want my T90 back to supplement it...!

Neither do my STAX, but the bass is different on them. It has more quantity & impact than most of the dynamics I've heard but it just doesn't have the weight behind it. It's hard to explain but I've heard Orthos are similar in that respect. I could be wrong though. STAX are almost too smooth, they sound amazingly good but they just don't convey the energy in the music very well.

I should have stayed away from head-fi. I hadn't really noticed this lack of energy with my stats until I dropped by the 'Stax and Dynamic Rig Owners' thread and then did some A/B between them and my portables. Sure enough the dynamics not once failed to get me involved in the music. biggrin.gif My poor wallet.
Edited by MohawkUS - 4/29/13 at 6:16am
post #603 of 2309
I was expecting them on Thursday but sure enough the T90 showed up on my door today.

I compared them to my STAX SR-5NBs(which thrashed the Ultrasone PRO2900s, SennHD598, and anything else I've heard) over in the STAX thread.

"About the T90s. I really wasn't sure what to expect when I plugged them in, much to my surprise they sound much like the SR-5NBs. eek.gif Bass, mid, and treble quantity is about the same between the two. Not quite as fast, but they've got a better decay and center image. At the moment I'm almost tempted to call them an improved SR-5. They have much the same tonal balance but sound more natural, have better weight, better separation, and detail retrieval. Timbre seems to come through better and with vocalists I am hearing it all(lungs,throat,body) rather than just the voice. Strangely they are less impactful and punchy than the SR-5s.(with the transformer box at least, about equal to it out of the T1). The SR-5 is noticeably more grainy though not in a negative way. The graininess has a way of making guitars more interesting to listen to.(Reminds me of Grado in that regard.)

At the moment I'd call the dynamics the weak point of the T90, but my choice of amplifier could be to blame. With my vintage receivers I really can't go past 8 o'clock or it gets much too loud and the noise floor is quite high. The Sherwood S6000 in particular is known to perform quite poorly at low volumes(first gen solid state), still it manages to outperform the S7210A with both pairs of headphones. The T90s through the 7 series amp has the same downfalls of the STAX through either amp.

Just as I feared this isn't going to be an easy choice, and I'll likely end up keeping both. One main advantage of the STAX pair is that it performs well with the vintage receivers and t-box. The T90 really needs a good head-amp and the receivers are much too loud when cranked up to their sweet spot. The Sherwood S-7210A has a 40 step volume pot. The beyers are dead quiet at 1, a little quiet at 2, and rock concert levels at 3. The STAX I run between 15-25, a much more usable range on the knob. For comparison my portable phones, the AKG K81 as well as my old Ultrasones, were happy at the same volume levels as the STAX."

First impressions are positive. Comfort is good(I usually hate velour but this is comfy and seals better than any HP I've had before). I've been looking for something like my STAX phones but that had a weightier/more natural sound in the vocals.(Vocals on the STAX sound like they're coming from ghosts. tongue.gif). So far it seems like I was right to trust my gut. At the moment the bass is overpowering and a bit loose, probably because of my choice of amplifier. I'm not hearing a lack of bass from these at all. For reference I found the SR80i too thin, and the AD900 lacking any bass at all. One thing I will note though is that these phones seem to have a little bit of echo like a closed can. Again it could be the poor choice of amplifier, anyone else hearing this?

I'd like to give an in-depth review of these but I don't feel it would be a good representation of the phones to do so with my vintage amplifiers. If I do chose to keep these over the STAX, I'll end up getting a HP amp and I'll review them then.
Edited by MohawkUS - 4/30/13 at 11:09pm
post #604 of 2309
Over 5 days burning nonstop!
Whats a good amount of burn for these?
post #605 of 2309

None, they will always be zingy in the highs.

post #606 of 2309

I been listening to the T90 with the WA7 and the sounds is beyond synergistic. The WA7 and the t90 sound so good together that I have had many late night listening sessions.  I will be finishing my WA7 review in the next 10 days and will discuss the T90 with the Woo WA7. I will also be doing a full T90 review in the next 45 days. I will say this  I am pleasantly surprised at what I have read in this thread is so different  to what I am actually hearing. 

post #607 of 2309
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Over 5 days burning nonstop!
Whats a good amount of burn for these?

 

 

 

5000 hours. I've heard that when they hit 4998 or 4999 hours, bass explodes and highs become much much smoother.

post #608 of 2309
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None, they will always be zingy in the highs.

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5000 hours. I've heard that when they hit 4998 or 4999 hours, bass explodes and highs become much much smoother.
Alright you guys jokes aside it is becoming very apparent that these cans are probably sensitive to the source as connents are varied..
I do notice some emphasis in trebles, very detailed as well so..
Looks like I will need tubes for this baby if I dont want it to cry lol.
post #609 of 2309
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post



Alright you guys jokes aside it is becoming very apparent that these cans are probably sensitive to the source as connents are varied..
I do notice some emphasis in trebles, very detailed as well so..
Looks like I will need tubes for this baby if I dont want it to cry lol.

 

No matter how long you burn them in, they wont change a lot. If you like them out of the box after they've played for a few hours, keep them, if you don't like them, don't leave them to burn in for days and days, it wont change a thing.

post #610 of 2309
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Alright you guys jokes aside it is becoming very apparent that these cans are probably sensitive to the source as connents are varied..
I do notice some emphasis in trebles, very detailed as well so..
Looks like I will need tubes for this baby if I dont want it to cry lol.

 

They will show everything, and assuming you use any decent headphone amp, consider a good quality interconnects. I use Beyerdynamic A1 which is neutral enough not to be noticeable at all,  but interconnects made a world of difference for me.

 

I tried many different ones, including AudioQuest line (from simple Forest RCA to much more expensive Sydney RCA that I found to produce the most boring and dull sounds I have ever heard from my system). While using Sydney RCA and not realizing that interconnect could influence the sound so much I was seriously considering to return A1 (but thankfully I learned my lesson that it was just a wrong interconnect).

 

I had very good results with Kimber Kable (Hero was extremely good for the price, Timbre provided very good performance as well). I also tried Kimber Silver Streak but I did not like the synergy - the sound was while very detailed and gentle but also somewhat bright and thin.

 

It was not until I put Cardas Quadlink 5-C that I stopped swapping interconnects. 5-C is my current one and it provides the most balanced, spacious (3-D like), and resolving sound among all other ones I heard.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

Over 5 days burning nonstop!
Whats a good amount of burn for these?

 

Mine settled in after about 400+ hours.

 

No matter what I or other people say, I'd suggest to keep running them for the first X hundred hours while periodically listening to them (so you can decide for yourself). Mine had significant changes during the first few hundred hours (that only deaf could not hear) but your experience may differ.

 

Some people do hear it and some absolutely not; this happens due to very different systems and ears so there is no universal truth here; just go with your own observations.

post #611 of 2309
Thank you and you are correct as they sound differently and better when I auditioned them.
To me they are still superior to the best I owned wich were Dennon 2000 and fostex modded t50rp.
Still planning to get more cans to compare lol
post #612 of 2309
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

I been listening to the T90 with the WA7 and the sounds is beyond synergistic. The WA7 and the t90 sound so good together that I have had many late night listening sessions.  I will be finishing my WA7 review in the next 10 days and will discuss the T90 with the Woo WA7. I will also be doing a full T90 review in the next 45 days. I will say this  I am pleasantly surprised at what I have read in this thread is so different  to what I am actually hearing. 

I'm not hearing any 'zingyness' either. In fact out of my current amplifier I'd almost say they are too warm & smooth. Over the next few weeks I'm planning on trying these out with a Graham Slee UL Diamond HP amp. It will be interesting to see if my impressions change running out of a real HP amp rather than a vintage receiver. They certainly have more bass and less treble energy than my STAX.
post #613 of 2309
Well that's interesting. I just found out by accident(trying to A/B headphones in the dark) that the tape jack on my receiver is actually a line-level output. I thought it was an input all this time. And even better this input is dead silent! I get all kinds of noise and hissing with the HP jack hence why I was unwilling to do a review until I got a real amp. To make it even better the line-out jack plays at the exact same volume setting that I found myself comfortable with on the volume knob.

You can imagine the look on my face when I plugged my headphones into the line-out jack, sat there moving the volume knob around to no response and then proceeded to turn off the receiver only to find that my music continued playing. blink.gif I sat there with my jaw on the floor for a full minute before I figured out what had happened.

I'll give these another week or so of burn-in then I'll start on my review. biggrin.gif

EDIT: Or not, It took awhile to notice it but running directly off the DAC like that really takes the contrast out of the sound. It's like watching a black n' white TV. I'll wait until I've got the Graham Slee loaner unit on hand.
Edited by MohawkUS - 5/6/13 at 2:50pm
post #614 of 2309
I have been comparing the t90 to my brand new akg q701, yes I realize they have zero burn but..
I am very pleased with both!
The q701 is more distant and laid back (in comparison) with sweet highs,
While the t90 is more full and intense and clarity is up a notch with a more prominent treble.
Also the T90 has fuller sound, deeper larger bass and lush mids.
The q701 has lighter mids but sounds nice.
I will try getting an audio technica before I sell of the akg. Its a very satisfying can but compared to the more involving T90, they never had a chance smily_headphones1.gif

To me the T90 combines the attributes of an open can (clarity), with the dynamics of a closed can, to a certain extent.
Edited by Maxx134 - 5/6/13 at 2:52pm
post #615 of 2309
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Originally Posted by Maxx134 View Post

I have been comparing the t90 to my brand new akg q701, yes I realize they have zero burn but..
I am very pleased with both!
The q701 is more distant and laid back (in comparison) with sweet highs,
While the t90 is more full and intense and clarity is up a notch with a more prominent treble.
Also has fuller sound, deeper larger bass and lush mids.
The q701 has light mids but sounds nice.
I will try getting an audio technica before I sell of the akg. Its a very satisfying can but compared to the more involving T90 they never had a chance smily_headphones1.gif

 

<which one has a bigger soundstage and better imaging?

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