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post #436 of 2594

The T90s are going for $499.00 on Amazon.

post #437 of 2594

Hey zombie_x, any update on youe t90 review?

post #438 of 2594

Hi,

 

Recently I acquired Violectric V200 headphone amp, which led me to feel needs to revise my impression for T70/T90 that T90s were generally bassier than T70s.

 

At my current setup, T70s showed great improvement. especially in bass sound, 

and I already can't refer T70 as "bass-weak" headphones.

They are now as flat sounding as T5p, or little bit more bassier than T5p.

 

Oddly enough, T90s didn't show so much improvement as T70.

of course details increased, treble spikes reduced, now much 3-D sounding, 

but the bass of T90s hasn't change in amount from my previous setup (Schiit Asgard).

 

Now I found myself accepting T70s as "bassier" headphones than T90s. 

that's what Zombie_X repeatedly said in his posts.

 

Off the topic,

Violectric V200 is an excellent amplifier, and it goes VERY well with T70s.

Now I have totally different eye on T70s. These headphones are considered by many as a recent failed work of beyerdynamic,

Actually these are excellent headphones, and to me, one of masterpieces among closed headphones currently in market.

And now I am seriously considering to purchase V800 DAC from the same manufacturer.

post #439 of 2594
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Originally Posted by beyerlove View Post

Hi,

 

Recently I acquired Violectric V200 headphone amp, which led me to feel needs to revise my impression for T70/T90 that T90s were generally bassier than T70s.

 

At my current setup, T70s showed great improvement. especially in bass sound, 

and I already can't refer T70 as "bass-weak" headphones.

They are now as flat sounding as T5p, or little bit more bassier than T5p.

 

Oddly enough, T90s didn't show so much improvement as T70.

of course details increased, treble spikes reduced, now much 3-D sounding, 

but the bass of T90s hasn't change in amount from my previous setup (Schiit Asgard).

 

Now I found myself accepting T70s as "bassier" headphones than T90s. 

that's what Zombie_X repeatedly said in his posts.

 

Now I have totally different eye on T70s. These headphones are considered by many as a recent failed work of beyerdynamic,

Actually these are excellent headphones, and to me, one of masterpieces among closed headphones currently in market.

Glad to read that someone else have found out how great headphones the T70 are! I love their resolution and open sound. I would still like to hear the T90 one day just to hear them. Maybe the T90 are the failed work of Beyerdynamic and not the T70 - or maybe it is just a matter of synergy with the right chain?

post #440 of 2594

Hi rasmushorn,

 

I don't think T90s are failed headphones. Those are very airy and have wide soundstage,

and quite well with some of pop tracks, 80's alternative musics that aren't much bass-heavy.

 

I think my new setup revealed different characters of T70s and T90s than my past setup,

and now I can enjoy them as totally different type of cans.

 

But now, I really love my T70s...!

I've liked them a lot before, but now with violectric V200,

T70s are my top-shelf headphones.

Those are so good that now I seldom use my T5p! 

post #441 of 2594

picked up T70, again, to test side by side with T90, to me T90 definitely has more bass  but T70 seem brighter 

Given both have few hours on them

v800>v200/WA6SE

 

 

700

post #442 of 2594

Hi snapple,

In your picture, your T90s look to have different earpads. (JMoney Audio V2 Lambskin?)

 

And I forgot to mention my T70s have EDT770S (Pleather earpads for DT770) on them. 

Those earpads improved bass of T70s.

IMO the only defect of T70s is that micro-velour earpads. 

 

I'll write further thoughts about T70s in T70 thread,

http://www.head-fi.org/t/553862/beyer-t70-t70p-new/525#post_8950229

to avoid being too off-topic.


Edited by beyerlove - 12/20/12 at 7:54pm
post #443 of 2594

Hello beyerlove,

 

they are stock pads but have Beyerdynamic pad covers for  protect- keep them clean :)

post #444 of 2594

snapple,

 

OIC, that's nice idea (=pad covers) because I always strive to keep them clean with my hand covered by scotch tapes! LOL

I'll throw both of them into a test under stock pads configuration again.

post #445 of 2594
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Originally Posted by beyerlove View Post

Hi rasmushorn,

 

I don't think T90s are failed headphones. Those are very airy and have wide soundstage,

and quite well with some of pop tracks, 80's alternative musics that aren't much bass-heavy.

 

I think my new setup revealed different characters of T70s and T90s than my past setup,

and now I can enjoy them as totally different type of cans.

 

But now, I really love my T70s...!

I've liked them a lot before, but now with violectric V200,

T70s are my top-shelf headphones.

Those are so good that now I seldom use my T5p! 

 

I am glad to hear that T90 has it's own place. It would not make sense to produce a lot of headphones with the same sound. I can only imagine that Beyerdynamic designs their collection to be covering different tastes and not every model appeals to all listeners. 

 

First I had the T70 which became my favorite headphone very fast. It caused me to sell my long lasting beloved HD650 because once me ears got used to the T70 I almost couldn't stand listening to the darker HD650. Also I sold my Grado SR325 because finally I found a headphone with the same "in-your face" and "up-front" soundstage as the Grados but with much more controlled sound. I felt I had to try the T70p and T5p and I have to say that at the moment T5p gets more listening time than the T70p. T5p covers all genres for me because it is almost like they can do everything and they easily adjust to different amplifiers and EQ'ing - more than the T70p does. 

 

But the T90 sounds interesting... I need to listen to one some day. 


Edited by rasmushorn - 12/21/12 at 12:36am
post #446 of 2594
I've been listening to my T90's for about ten hours now, driven by my Woo WA22..

In a word, THE best sound I've ever heard. Mind you, it's driven by my Rega P5, Ortofon 2M Bronze cart, Musical Surroundings Phenomena II Phono Preamp, and Rega TT PSU. I'm not really getting any top end harshness, just crystal clear top end allied to a beautifully full midrange. I have heard high res files thru this amp/'phone combo, and it wasn't anywhere near as impressive. In fact, some of the records which were a little harsh thru my speaker amp combo were improved thru my Headphone combo. Truly outstanding, and loving every record I put on. (Not loving the lack of sleep though!!) I can't fault it. So I thought I'd address the imbalance!! + 1 for the T90 for sure. The only 'phone I'm tempted to try as an upgrade would be a ALO cabled Audeze LCD-2
post #447 of 2594

T90 needs a warm sounding system to shine.  That's my experience so far.  more to come.

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post #448 of 2594
I enjoyed the T90's using the head amp and IC's from this review hooking it up to the Accuphase DP900 + DC901 combo, the Audiolab 8000CD player and some other sources and it was outstanding! There is no need for "warm" setup unless you have to cover something going down the signal chain to the T90's. The sound a bit hard and sibilant during the first couple of minutes and then they become silky, not harsh at all. I haven't listened to them in that time so it's no brain adjustment thing. Going back to the aformentioned setup - it was one of the best headphone setups I have heard outside of my home, including electrostatic gear. Better than the Grado GS1000 supplied from the Cary SLI-80 and the GamuT CD-3 CD player via the Tara Labs The Zero interconnects and it says something as this combo was magic in terms of spatial presentation. The T90's properly fed might cheat your brain in the same way while sounding more natural, with fuller midrange. Sure, there is a bit of a loudness curve built-in, but not as strong as in the DT990's. BTW, I completely don't understand how anyone could compare the T90's to the DT770, or even more surprising - to the DT990's? The latter are unlistenable for me. I will make a couple of comparisons to my Grado PS1000 which I have considered as the best dynamic headpone available since a couple of years, showing defficiencies of the T1's, HD800's or D7000's but against the T90's - they were surprisingly close in terms of completness and honesty of presentation while not having that much emphasize in the mid bass and low treble region. I find the T90's easily competing several ortho models, too. The only model which I'm not sure about is the T5p which I like much more than the T1 due to more saturation, better kicking bass less boring overall presentation. Below some links to useful graphs.
http://ko.goldenears.net/board/2445238
The T70 for some reference - note treble roll-off, over-charged pulse response and lesser CSD.
http://ko.goldenears.net/board/1533777
At the end some quick comparison to the Q701 - the AKG's sound thicker but it's false especially on trumpet which sounds like covered with wool, with some plastic and wood kind of coloration. There is also an impression of walls limiting the soundstange range when you switch from the T90's to the Q701's. I won't comment the K701's here present at the meeting as well because they showed up inferior to the Q701's bringing nothing instead. So the T90's are much more worth their price than the Q701's do.
post #449 of 2594

Thanks for your impressions majkel. I am starting to think that the T90 is a little bit picky with source and the rest of the chain. I found the T70 to sound very boring with low resolution files bit shining and showing we good resolution with high quality files. I would think that T90 is the same way and if people who do not like them have heard them with the wrong gear they will not sound good. Also synergy with the right chain might be more important with the T70 and T90 than for many other headphones?? both in a positive and negative way?

post #450 of 2594
I care more for the headphones that scale well rather than forgiving ones. I've heard the T70's from a good setup only and what I remember was less airy sound, maybe thicker. I realised then that the T70's were very good while the T90's simply impressed me. The T5p happened to impress me several times as well so I'm very interested in comparing them but yet at this moment I see some drawbacks of the T5p's:
- higher price
- angled driver pushing me to wear the earcups out of center against ears which I find a bit uncomfortable, like I did on the T1's
- closed construction which I'm less convinced to due to expected limitations in soundstage size and spatial presentation
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