Beyerdynamic T90 :D - Page 29

Hey guys,

Here's my video review of the T90. Hopefully you won't hate me for bashing them a tiny bit.

Great video.

thank you for sharing your experience!

Kind of unfortunate though. I don't know if I just prefer really bright headphones or just a bias about it because I paid $650 for them, but I really love my T90. I do agree with beyerlove that the T90 takes some time to settle in then again I'm not sure if this is just my ear getting used to the sound, I'm kind of skeptical about burn in process but still want to believe it does exist somewhat. :\

But I would agree that T90 is a very sibilant headphones.

I am sending back and we'll see. They don't sound defective at all to my ears. 

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy 

Zombie, you should ask for another pair. Those sound faulty compared to what everyone else is saying. Wouldnt be the first time Beyer had some duds in the wild.

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X 

I am sending back and we'll see. They don't sound defective at all to my ears. 

 

Hrm,

I'm actually really surprised to hear you say that the T70 has more bass than the T90. I found the T70 to be so completely dependent on how well it seals to produce low frequencies well. I'm curious about the T90. I would imagine it would strive to have more bass than this. The DT880 had more bass presentation to me than the T70 even.

Very best,

Hi,

No doubt the T70 has more bass, and when dampened the T70 has much more. What I'm hearing between these two is very different from everyone else, but the T90 are not defective. I know what defective headphones sound like and the T90 is not that at all. They are bright, thin, with a lot of bass.

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Originally Posted by MalVeauX 

Hrm,

 

I'm actually really surprised to hear you say that the T70 has more bass than the T90. I found the T70 to be so completely dependent on how well it seals to produce low frequencies well. I'm curious about the T90. I would imagine it would strive to have more bass than this. The DT880 had more bass presentation to me than the T70 even.

 

Very best,

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X 

Hi,

 

No doubt the T70 has more bass, and when dampened the T70 has much more. What I'm hearing between these two is very different from everyone else, but the T90 are not defective. I know what defective headphones sound like and the T90 is not that at all. They are bright, thin, with not much bass.

 

Interesting.

I found the T70 to have very weak bass. It extended low, and had some sub-bass, but it was very shy compared to the mids & treble. Made me think of the Shure SRH940, but better built and more expensive. The only way I could really get some bass from the T70 was to press the cups to my head, to make a much better seal, and even then it was still relatively weak, barely coming up to what I would at least consider neutral or flat. My DT770 is much warmer, by comparison, and I don't even consider it to be a very bassy headphone either, but at least warmer than neutral with some sub-bass grip. End of the day, I took the pads of the T70 and re-cabled my DT770 to make my DT770 premium look and feel like the T70, but sound like the (as I consider it) better DT770 (again my preference at least). I was rather astonished how thin the T70's sound, regardless of what source gear I used, even a warm amp like the Lyr.

Makes me cringe to think how absolutely thin and bassless the T90 must sound. Probably something akin to the awful AD700.

That makes me very sad, as I absolutely love Beyer DT series. Tesla so far as been a let down for me.

Very best,

Hi,

I also find it odd that people say the T70 has less bass than the DT770. From what I've heard, it has a lot more, more than the DT880. It could be synergy but I doubt that. Also On all my beyers (except the T1) I leave them on the first notch on the headband. I have a small head, so no adjustment is needed. Also people say they are loose fitting but I find my T70 to have a slight clamp to it. It's really odd, no modification was done to the headband as it was brand new. I don't get it one bit.

Now to the T90 owners, don't take my words so seriously, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone also hears differently. I am merely stating what I hear. I think the T70 outperforms the DT770, while the T90 is slightly below the DT990.

MalVeauX, the T90 is not bassless, it jsut lacks the bass of the DT990. It's more like DT880 bass levels, but with maybe a tiny bit more midbass. It's also not terribly thin, but is thinner than the DT990. The T90 has more body than the AD700. 

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X 

Hi,

 

I also find it odd that people say the T70 has less bass than the DT770. From what I've heard, it has a lot more, more than the DT880. It could be synergy but I doubt that.

 

MalVeauX, the T90 is not bassless, it jsut lacks the bass of the DT990. It's more like DT880 bass levels, but with maybe a tiny bit more midbass. It's also not terribly thin, but is thinner than the DT990. The T90 has more body than the AD700. 

Heya,

It's pretty apparent to my ears, the DT770 is much, much warmer than the T70. The only time the T70 sounded like it was doing anything like what the DT770 does with bass, is when I pressed it in very close, making an absolute seal. I found the T70 to clamp fairly average, not as tight as a PRO series Beyer, but not as loose it seemed as some of my Premium DT series. Even then, it was only the sub-bass that was really more pronounced, the DT770's mid-bass range seemed more apparent and warmer. Looking at some measurements it seems to agree with what I'm hearing. When I compared the T70 to the DT880, the DT880 still sounded warmer to me than the T70 did. The T70 just seems so anemic compared to the DT770 & DT880 (I have the DT770 PRO 80ohm and the DT770 600ohm premium, and the DT880 600ohm, as comparisons when I compared to my T70). I used the same sources for my comparisons and each time it ended up the same, from solid state like the NFB series to the Schiit Lyr.

Anyhow, I'm only even going so far with this because you mentioned the T70 had more bass than the T90, but you describe the T90 as having the same bass, maaybe more mid bass, than the DT880. And by reference, that's saying the T70 is bassier than the DT880, which it most certainly was not to me.

I'm just curious since I'm a Beyer fanatic as well.

(Left to right: T70, DT770 600ohm, DT880 600ohm)

Very best,

Great thoughts MalVeauX and Zomie_X, thanks.

I don't think we can discount Beyer's notoriously varied sound signatures within a single model. There could be bass-heavy T70s/T90s and bass-light T70s/T90s which might explain the wide variations in reviews and opinions. It reminds me of a quote I read recently from Val of V-Moda about how most headphone companies only test a single frequency when doing QA and then proceed to match drivers from there (in reference to V-Moda testing multiple frequencies during QA to assure consistent performance). He pointed out that only testing one frequency can lead to huge variances from one headphone to the next and it sure seemed like he was alluding to Beyerdynamic. ;)

I should note-- I am not a V-Moda fan boy. Haha. I just thought what he said was interesting and it made me think of the Beyers.

Hi,

I think the T90 I got is one of product variation. It's not a terrible headphone, but not good value for $699. At that price point the Shure SRH-1840 sounds more appealing.

I noticed that something was funky with the screw on 1/4" as I got some static once and a while. So I swapped it with one from one of my old DT880's, and what's this? Gone is the zing sound from before?! Hrm they also don't sound as bright and they aren't as edgy. The mids and bass filled in a bit as well. It's not a drastic improvement but it's for the better. They don't sound as distant and thin as they did before. So who knew the jack was messed up and needed replacing? It never occurred to me it could be a connection issue.

I think I'll have to shoot an update video over the next week. I'll have to set the record straight with these. The mids are still recessed and the bass isn't all that strong, but now they have a bit more mids than the DT990.It's not a huge change though. This might be a game changer.

T90 owner rejoice! These do sound better, but still not $699 good.

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Originally Posted by devhen 

Great thoughts MalVeauX and Zomie_X, thanks.

 

I don't think we can discount Beyer's notoriously varied sound signatures within a single model. There could be bass-heavy T70s/T90s and bass-light T70s/T90s which might explain the wide variations in reviews and opinions. It reminds me of a quote I read recently from Val of V-Moda about how most headphone companies only test a single frequency when doing QA and then proceed to match drivers from there (in reference to V-Moda testing multiple frequencies during QA to assure consistent performance). He pointed out that only testing one frequency can lead to huge variances from one headphone to the next and it sure seemed like he was alluding to Beyerdynamic. ;)

 

I should note-- I am not a V-Moda fan boy. Haha. I just thought what he said was interesting and it made me think of the Beyers.

Zombie,

Glad to hear some improvement on your T90s.

Looking forward to seeing your video update!

I'm close on getting this, or the T1.. I own 2 headphones now, my 702 for pleasure, and my DT48 for Misc purposes. I like bright.