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post #301 of 2369

Is the sibilance really that bad? I only demoed them a short while at the NY meet, but liked what I heard. Perhaps it was the set up they were on. Keep us updated guys. I'm really between this and the HE-500...

 

Though I might hold off on them and grab a pair of Mad Dogs, just because I don't have that much money to throw at headphones right now. 

post #302 of 2369
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Originally Posted by RapidPulse View Post

 

It can really make strings sound great...more air and just an overall smooth sweetness that I really like.

 

 

I've experienced the same with the T70 and DT880/600 // DT880/2003 and especially with the T1.

Strings have a nice silky touch. That's how I'd describe it.

On the HD800 they sound more aggressive... and to me more realistic, than on the T1.

Same goes for the sound of the brass.

 

I "must" always have at least one headphone with this typical beyerdynamic sound signature in my collection and sometimes I like this signature, but it has indeed its flaws and I wished they had implemented a different behavior when it comes to the highs of the T90.

post #303 of 2369
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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post

Is the sibilance really that bad? I only demoed them a short while at the NY meet, but liked what I heard. Perhaps it was the set up they were on. Keep us updated guys. I'm really between this and the HE-500...

 

Though I might hold off on them and grab a pair of Mad Dogs, just because I don't have that much money to throw at headphones right now. 

 

Plus some people are just more sensitive to it than others.

post #304 of 2369
After further listening and burn-in, I have concluded that the t90s are not staying. I really love their detail, possibly the most detailed headphone I have ever heard. However, the sibilance is too much to ignore. After a little EQ'ing I narrowed down the offending harshness to the 10khz area. However, if I drop it by a few db the headphones start losing that awesome detail retrieval. I hate having to EQ a pair of cans like that. Especially ones that cost $650.

All in all, the t90s are excellent with their ability to reproduce everything with tremendous detail with a very nice soundstage, excellent imaging and superb separation. However, they just aren't 'fun' enough. If that makes sense.

Not once, did I get lost in a song while listening to these. Like someone a few posts before me mentioned, there were times I actually dreaded certain parts of a song ahead of time because I knew that the sibilance was coming. It can be that harsh, yes.

Who knows, maybe if I tried these with a tube amp, they may have been better. For now though, I just am going to keep looking. While the t90 came close to meeting my requirements, in the end it was just too harsh for my tastes.
post #305 of 2369

It seems to me that Beyer has been missing the boat. The T70 was very disappointing and I preferred the 770 600 ohm over that and now the reports on the t90 seem more of the same as was the T5. Seems like the only good cans were the T1 AND 1350  whereas most everything else new has fallen short and is also way overpriced IMO.

post #306 of 2369
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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post

Is the sibilance really that bad? 

From memory, I think it is less than the DT990 (and the T90 treble overall is much nicer than the DT990 IMO).  But it is something to be aware of if you are sensitive to that type of thing. I would consider myself moderately sensitive. 

post #307 of 2369
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Originally Posted by draven5494 View Post

After further listening and burn-in, I have concluded that the t90s are not staying. I really love their detail, possibly the most detailed headphone I have ever heard. However, the sibilance is too much to ignore. After a little EQ'ing I narrowed down the offending harshness to the 10khz area. However, if I drop it by a few db the headphones start losing that awesome detail retrieval. I hate having to EQ a pair of cans like that. Especially ones that cost $650.
All in all, the t90s are excellent with their ability to reproduce everything with tremendous detail with a very nice soundstage, excellent imaging and superb separation. However, they just aren't 'fun' enough. If that makes sense.
Not once, did I get lost in a song while listening to these. Like someone a few posts before me mentioned, there were times I actually dreaded certain parts of a song ahead of time because I knew that the sibilance was coming. It can be that harsh, yes.
Who knows, maybe if I tried these with a tube amp, they may have been better. For now though, I just am going to keep looking. While the t90 came close to meeting my requirements, in the end it was just too harsh for my tastes.

 

Have you tried any orthos?  HE-400 or HE-500, How do they compare IYO?

post #308 of 2369
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

It seems to me that Beyer has been missing the boat. The T70 was very disappointing and I preferred the 770 600 ohm over that and now the reports on the t90 seem more of the same as was the T5. Seems like the only good cans were the T1 AND 1350  whereas most everything else new has fallen short and is also way overpriced IMO.

 

I use my T70's on my balanced Beta 22 and balanced M^3 they sound really good on both.  I also changed out the stock cable and now use a 8 strand copper cable.  this takes care of all the harshness.  So many migh like these better with tube amps or amp that's not so resolving.

 

I didn't like them as much on the GS-1, BHA-1, or the CK2111.

post #309 of 2369
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

Have you tried any orthos?  HE-400 or HE-500, How do they compare IYO?

 

I only briefly listened to the HE400s a few months ago.  My first impressions of those weren't too positive honestly.  It seemed like they were deeply recessed in the upper-mids and highs.  However, I am thinking my pair may have been defective or I at least did not give them enough time.  I am actually planning on possibly getting another pair of HE400s this week.  I may send the T90s back before I receive them though.  So, I probably won't be able to do a head-to-head but I should be able to give a general impression based on memory.  I don't usually do that, but I can definitely remember parts of a song where the T90s were sibilant.  I can hear it in my head right now and I am not even wearing them... 

 

I can tell you how the T90s compare to the Q701s though.  The T90s make the Q701s sound warm and less detailed.  That's saying something.  Vocals on the T90s can be very bright and harsh, whereas the Q701s do not have this issue.  The bass between the two is very similar actually.  They both extend well, but the bass is quite lean and tight.  The big difference between the T90s and the Q701s is the imaging and separation.  The T90s have some of the best imaging I have heard.  I am able to easily pin-point sounds without a problem.  Imaging on the Q701s is great, but due to the amount of detail on the T90s they are better.  Separation is also significantly better on the T90s.  The Q701s tend to get a bit congested at times when a song becomes busy, but the T90s do not have this problem.  No matter how much is going on, I can still hear each instrument and it's place in the soundstage.  I would say the T90's strength is it's soundstage/imaging/separation.  This makes them great gaming cans btw.  I tested them and was able to hear EVERYTHING.  

 

Of course, who wants $650 cans just for hearing faint footsteps in a game?  For that price, I want that and musicality.  Unfortunately, to me, the T90s just don't have that fun factor that makes them a good all-around can.  

post #310 of 2369
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Originally Posted by draven5494 View Post

 

I only briefly listened to the HE400s a few months ago.  My first impressions of those weren't too positive honestly.  It seemed like they were deeply recessed in the upper-mids and highs.  However, I am thinking my pair may have been defective or I at least did not give them enough time.  I am actually planning on possibly getting another pair of HE400s this week.  I may send the T90s back before I receive them though.  So, I probably won't be able to do a head-to-head but I should be able to give a general impression based on memory.  I don't usually do that, but I can definitely remember parts of a song where the T90s were sibilant.  I can hear it in my head right now and I am not even wearing them... 

 

I can tell you how the T90s compare to the Q701s though.  The T90s make the Q701s sound warm and less detailed.  That's saying something.  Vocals on the T90s can be very bright and harsh, whereas the Q701s do not have this issue.  The bass between the two is very similar actually.  They both extend well, but the bass is quite lean and tight.  The big difference between the T90s and the Q701s is the imaging and separation.  The T90s have some of the best imaging I have heard.  I am able to easily pin-point sounds without a problem.  Imaging on the Q701s is great, but due to the amount of detail on the T90s they are better.  Separation is also significantly better on the T90s.  The Q701s tend to get a bit congested at times when a song becomes busy, but the T90s do not have this problem.  No matter how much is going on, I can still hear each instrument and it's place in the soundstage.  I would say the T90's strength is it's soundstage/imaging/separation.  This makes them great gaming cans btw.  I tested them and was able to hear EVERYTHING.  

 

Of course, who wants $650 cans just for hearing faint footsteps in a game?  For that price, I want that and musicality.  Unfortunately, to me, the T90s just don't have that fun factor that makes them a good all-around can.  

 

What amps are you using with them?  Not that it makes a difference to you.  I have the T70s and they sound different on a few different amps.

post #311 of 2369

My setup is - Foobar2000 (WASAPI) - ODAC - Matrix m-stage - T90s

 

I would like to hear the T90s through a tube amp, but I am not ready to go down that slippery slope right now... ;)

post #312 of 2369

Nice rig..  M-Stage should make them sing.

post #313 of 2369
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Originally Posted by draven5494 View Post

After further listening and burn-in, I have concluded that the t90s are not staying. I really love their detail, possibly the most detailed headphone I have ever heard. However, the sibilance is too much to ignore. After a little EQ'ing I narrowed down the offending harshness to the 10khz area. However, if I drop it by a few db the headphones start losing that awesome detail retrieval. I hate having to EQ a pair of cans like that. Especially ones that cost $650.
All in all, the t90s are excellent with their ability to reproduce everything with tremendous detail with a very nice soundstage, excellent imaging and superb separation. However, they just aren't 'fun' enough. If that makes sense.
Not once, did I get lost in a song while listening to these. Like someone a few posts before me mentioned, there were times I actually dreaded certain parts of a song ahead of time because I knew that the sibilance was coming. It can be that harsh, yes.
Who knows, maybe if I tried these with a tube amp, they may have been better. For now though, I just am going to keep looking. While the t90 came close to meeting my requirements, in the end it was just too harsh for my tastes.

 

I definitely agree with your opinion on these, although I did have a few magical lost in the music moments.
 
For me, it is the price+sibilance that is the deciding factor in not keeping these vs. just the sibilance alone. If I am spending this much on headphones, I want to be able to really enjoy them on the majority of my music.  I just don't see these getting enough headtime to be worth it for me.
 
(By the way, just for reference:  My opinions of the T90 were formed while listening to lossless files of several genres via Wadia 121 DAC and Red Wine Audio Corvina amp. Just general listening.  No extensive burn in...but wish I had, just to see )
 
 
 
 
post #314 of 2369

^^Well, with the amp and DAC the likes of yours.  I would say your gear is telling you just what those headphones have to offer.

post #315 of 2369
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Originally Posted by RapidPulse View Post

I find the T90 to be brighter and a little more detailed. It can really make strings sound great...more air and just an overall smooth sweetness that I really like. As I mentioned though, vocals can be sibilant.

 

Now that I have spent more time with both, I don't see the T1 as just a better T90. They are different enough that I could see owning both.  However, I am not prepared to spend that much right now so I have to make a choice. For me, the T1 is the choice. I have really liked it with pretty much every type of music I have thrown at it. Unfortunately, it looks like I will be without the T1 for awhile because I am hearing some rattle/distortion in the left ear. frown.gif

 

Its a hair! Pick off all of the hairs you can see in the left cup. Use a headlamp or flashlight to make sure you are getting them all. If its still there, remove the ear pads and roll over the driver pad with a lint roller. If that still doesn't work pop open the driver and clean all the hairs off/out.


Edited by devhen - 8/27/12 at 8:45am
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