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post #196 of 2369
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Originally Posted by vonjuergen View Post

 



speed & resolution of the T5p ? ALMOST

 

presence & realism of the T5p ? no, not at all - even the dt880 was better in presence and realism than the t90 (IMO a body/warmth/image density thing)

 

The DT880 was warmer than the T90?  God help us all.

 

I was always a fan of how Beyer presented bass in their cans.  I'm get disappointed when I read T70 reviews, and now these T90 impressions - they're such nice looking headphones, too.

post #197 of 2369
I loved the dt 770/880/990 series. Everything I've read about T70 and T90 just makes me sad
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post #199 of 2369
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The DT880 was warmer than the T90? God help us all. 

 

 

I'm no basshead, but come on. Why do they do it?

post #200 of 2369

To me, it's the presence of the T5p which seperates it from the rest, including the T1.

 

The T5p has a lot of energy which the T1 seemed to lack (though I didn't amplify it correctly... just a portable DAP...)

 

 

The T70p was more 'shimmery', if you imagine a cymbal crash or vocal air, I suppose the T90 will be like that then.  The T5p is like a yakuza boss.

post #201 of 2369
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Originally Posted by Rawrbington View Post

I loved the dt 770/880/990 series. Everything I've read about T70 and T90 just makes me sad

 

I feel the complete opposite way. Finally a high profiled brand makes bright sounding with high resolution. The T70 is one of the best sounding headphones on the market today to my ears. If the T90 is in the same tonality as the T70 it will be even better with an open back design. 

 

To my ears the LCD-2 / LCD-3 are the ones with the wrong tonality and the new Beyerdynamic "house-sound" is much more close to real world. I can not stand listening to LCD-X and HE-XXX headphones for much longer than a few minutes. They make me depressed by sounding so dark and heavy in comparison. So I could not applaud the new Beyerdynamic sound more!

post #202 of 2369
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Originally Posted by rasmushorn View Post

 

I feel the complete opposite way. Finally a high profiled brand makes bright sounding with high resolution. The T70 is one of the best sounding headphones on the market today to my ears. If the T90 is in the same tonality as the T70 it will be even better with an open back design. 

 

To my ears the LCD-2 / LCD-3 are the ones with the wrong tonality and the new Beyerdynamic "house-sound" is much more close to real world. I can not stand listening to LCD-X and HE-XXX headphones for much longer than a few minutes. They make me depressed by sounding so dark and heavy in comparison. So I could not applaud the new Beyerdynamic sound more!

Agreed, especially about the HE-XXX case...: )

post #203 of 2369
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Originally Posted by vonjuergen View Post

just wanted to share my impressions of the T90 - compared to HD600, t5p, t70, t70p, dt1350, dt880 250ohm
 

yesterday i visited a hifi shop in berlin / germany

 

the salesman said that the t90 was running in for 2 days.  gear:  mf m1 hpa (ss amp) + consonance cd player

 

the t90 had the same issues as all other tesla series - bright, empty body, unmusical, awful tonality - maybe a tubeamp would help

 

the t5p had the best definiton, transients, separation and a really nice kickdrum and overall tonality of the beyers

the t70p was really bright and lacking in the bass

the t70 bright but a nice midbass

the t90 almost had the speed/resolution of the t5p but lacked in definition, imaging, bright tonality and the bass weakest of all beyers. (maybe more burn in?)

the dt1350 was fast but lacked in prat and couldnt reach the performance of the larger beyers - would easily prefer my slower M50.

the dt880 was slower, had less resolution but had the best body and prat of the beyers with good tonality (actually all the tesla cans lacked in coherence, timing and body - no prat at all with those amps)

 

my stock hd600 was slower than the tesla beyers but it had the best prat of all (only with the m1 hpa. the lehmann rhinelander and mf v-can couldnt deliver the pace and timing of the m1 hpa) + great tonality, coherence and warmth / body. it easily was the most enjoyable of all.

 

sorry all beyrer fans but the t90 had really low bass level and an uncomfortable peak in the highs with the usual tesla tonality.

I guess 2 days of burn-in time is far from enough, as this was the case with my T5p, when I initially got my T5p, I was extremely disappointed, empty, harsh, overly bright, after about 3 weeks of 24*7 burn-in time, it improved a lot, almost a different phone.

post #204 of 2369
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Originally Posted by williamqh View Post

I guess 2 days of burn-in time is far from enough, as this was the case with my T5p, when I initially got my T5p, I was extremely disappointed, empty, harsh, overly bright, after about 3 weeks of 24*7 burn-in time, it improved a lot, almost a different phone.

 

I had the same experience with T70 + getting used to the lesser bass impact makes some difference before you start to notice all the other qualities.

post #205 of 2369
My AD700 turned into a basshead monster after 3 years of burn in.

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post #206 of 2369

Mine too!  Phew, I thought I was the only one.

 

From what I've read, Asian (and, to an extent, European) preferred sound signatures are quite different from North American, but still - the reviews from the T70 are pretty discouraging in the bass department.

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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

My AD700 turned into a basshead monster after 3 years of burn in.
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post #207 of 2369

I wouldn't say the tonality of Beyers' new line is wrong, rather that it's more for listeners that like a brighter more analytical sound signature.  For many like Rasmushorn, they find the darker, fuller tonality of Sennheiser's line(for example) undesirable.

post #208 of 2369
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Originally Posted by Digital-Pride View Post

I wouldn't say the tonality of Beyers' new line is wrong, rather that it's more for listeners that like a brighter more analytical sound signature.  For many like Rasmushorn, they find the darker, fuller tonality of Sennheiser's line(for example) undesirable.

 

Don't know if you were referring to my comments or someone else's, but I never said and don't personally think the new sound signature that we're hearing about in reviews and impressions is necessarily wrong - I'm personally just disappointed that they are apparently moving away from the sound found in the DT line.  The cans look amazing, I just wish sound matched my preferences.  From what I read, it doesn't.  My local hi-fi shop has yet to stock the new line as well, so I haven't had a chance to listen. frown.gif

post #209 of 2369
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Originally Posted by Anathallo View Post

 

Don't know if you were referring to my comments or someone else's, but I never said and don't personally think the new sound signature that we're hearing about in reviews and impressions is necessarily wrong - I'm personally just disappointed that they are apparently moving away from the sound found in the DT line.  The cans look amazing, I just wish sound matched my preferences.  From what I read, it doesn't.  My local hi-fi shop has yet to stock the new line as well, so I haven't had a chance to listen. frown.gif

 

Oh, sorry.  My post wasn't directed at you, it was just a general response.  Personally, I prefer a fuller less treble focused sound.  So, none of the Beyers would probably work for me, but I would like to audition one someday in the near future.

post #210 of 2369

Yes - we do hear and value sounds differently - which is what makes this hobby interesting.

I used to only find what I was looking for in Grados - namely the SR325 - but Beyerdynamic has changed this since they started with the Tesla drivers.

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