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post #1396 of 2231
Mine wasn't sealed, I don't think they come sealed. But with my set, the cord was wrapped in a plastic baggie.
post #1397 of 2231
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

Mine wasn't sealed, I don't think they come sealed. But with my set, the cord was wrapped in a plastic baggie.

Yeah, there was a baggie for the cord, but guess what else I found after perusing through the items...

I found someone's receipt dated 12/8, inserted in the manual. Hmm, I'm calling Amazon and raising a bit of h*** for getting used cans.
post #1398 of 2231
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Originally Posted by deltasun View Post

Yeah, there was a baggie for the cord, but guess what else I found after perusing through the items...

I found someone's receipt dated 12/8, inserted in the manual. Hmm, I'm calling Amazon and raising a bit of h*** for getting used cans.


Don't call them. Just sue them. This is your chance to pull loads of money out of them. Come on. Sue them. Do it. Do it.
post #1399 of 2231
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Originally Posted by deltasun View Post


Yeah, there was a baggie for the cord, but guess what else I found after perusing through the items...

I found someone's receipt dated 12/8, inserted in the manual. Hmm, I'm calling Amazon and raising a bit of h*** for getting used cans.

 

Yeah, that would piss me off. 

 

Still, what do you think of them?

post #1400 of 2231
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Originally Posted by deltasun View Post

Yeah, there was a baggie for the cord, but guess what else I found after perusing through the items...

I found someone's receipt dated 12/8, inserted in the manual. Hmm, I'm calling Amazon and raising a bit of h*** for getting used cans.
Probably don't have to raise hell, the 2 times that I've dealt with them this month they've been very helpful. Try to get them to price it as a amazon warehouse deal and give you back from cash. Benefit is that you keep the warranty. (Beyer doesn't honor warranty on "used" items even if they're sold by an authorized dealer)
post #1401 of 2231
@MrEleventy: I have an OCD'ness about used, especially when I didn't know or have any info about the owner/user. Anyway, I got them to send me one direct from their distributor, expedited. I also requested another $50 off and got that.

The key here is that they're sending used gear for new. It's unethical. How can you regain that trust, especially on such high-end gear? I mean, I didn't purchase a $10 blu-ray that may have been returned. If you think about the sell chain, a used headphone should never have entered the equation. They only have/had 3 in stock. It didn't dawn on them that despite selling one, they still had 3?!?

Anyway, should be good for now.

@jbarrentine: The Vali tames the sibilance a bit, I believe. I currently have these going from my X3 mini-to-RCA (which I had to suddenly purchase today) to the Vali to the T90. The details are amazing and the bass impact is adequate, imo.

One thing though - it seems the clamping force is very light on these. Is that normal? It would almost fall if I bow my head without thinking, like if I drop something. I don't like that feeling.
post #1402 of 2231
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Originally Posted by deltasun View Post

The details are amazing and the bass impact is adequate, imo.

 

 

Exactly what I think. That detail level is astounding. The HD800 is supposed to be better, but hey, $1500. 

 

Regarding fit, you must have smallish head. Or maybe I have a large head. Either way I don't have that problem :(  

post #1403 of 2231
Same here. In terms of headphones, I think I have a small-ish head, I have it at about 2 clicks out and it fits snug. No issues with sliding.
post #1404 of 2231
I actually have a big-ish head. Perhaps that's the reason this was returned. biggrin.gif

Anyway, last night I listened for another couple of hours, but this time just surfing the web while doing so. Didn't have any issues with fit. I think it's when I was having to constantly look down (typing some codes that I had to read from my desk) and back up on the screen.

I guess this is another thing to compare to the new pair coming in. So far though, it's listening pleasure. Will have to start burning in the new one again when it comes. smily_headphones1.gif
post #1405 of 2231
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Originally Posted by jbarrentine View Post
 

 

Exactly what I think. That detail level is astounding. The HD800 is supposed to be better, but hey, $1500. 

 

I would say the HD800 has a bigger soundstage, and differs in detail, but not necessarily better or worse. Just different. Having both HD800 and T90 I go back and forth. HD800 is on my head for classical and jazz. T90 for jazz and rock. I could live with only either, but would rather have both.

post #1406 of 2231

Much to my surprise, I find the T90 to be harsher and more sibilant than the HD800 by a very noticeable amount.

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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

Much to my surprise, I find the T90 to be harsher and more sibilant than the HD800 by a very noticeable amount.


Give them some time to burn in some. Your experience does not reflect the over all consenses.
Edited by TJ Max - 1/2/14 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by TJ Max View Post


Give them some time to burn in some. Your experience not does reflect the over all consenses.


I recently got the HD800. Had the T90 for months now. After reading how lifeless, and non-euphonic the HD800 was, I was surprised at how musical they sounded, even in rock/pop genres. Of headphones I've heard, it's definitely top two in rock/pop, and by far #1 in classical/orchestral. The only other headphone I've tried that could outclass the HD800 in rock/pop is the HE-500. Even then, it's very close. It's all dependent on the chain, and I'm using the same chain for the T90 and the HD800 which is Bottlehead Quickie (tube preamp) -> Bottlehead Crack -> headphone. The HE-500 uses the Emotiva MiniX speaker amp instead of the Crack. To be fair, I found the T90 to sound about the same, whether or not the Quickie is in the chain. The HE-500 and HD800 benefit a lot more from the Quickie. Especially the HD800, with the Quickie in the chain, it sounded good for rock/pop. Before, it did seem to sound a bit lifeless with instruments spread out too far for rock, and vocals sounding stretched out as well. HD800 is very chain dependent as I've found. The HE-500 is power dependent, hence the speaker amp. That's not to say the T90 is not chain dependent. It's just as chain dependent as the others, as I've heard it from solid state amps, and it sounded horrible. Only I didn't find the Quickie to benefit much in the chain for the T90. I tried Quickie + Emotiva (solid state) with T90, and it didn't sound as good as through Crack alone. Then I tried Quickie + Emotiva with HD800, and it was better than Crack alone. But Quickie + Crack was the best for HD800. Emotiva alone with HD800 or T90 was bad for both, and the Crack sounded better than Emotiva alone for both.

 

Here's a mathematical way to showing what I just said as it could be a bit confusing:

 

'>' - left better than right

'>>' - left significantly better than right

 

For T90:

Quickie+Crack = Crack alone > Quickie+Emotiva > Emotiva alone

 

For HE-500:

Quickie+Emotiva > Emotiva alone

 

For HD800:

Quickie+Crack > Quickie+Emotiva >> Crack alone >> Emotiva alone

 

Thus, I concluded the Quickie to pulls a lot of weight for the HD800, but not so much for the T90. HE-500 sounds better with Quickie in chain, but Emotiva alone is not bad, so it's somewhere in between in how much weight it pulls.

 

Granted, I've not tried an exhaustive number of amps with the T90, but this is all experience with the Crack, which is a well regarded pairing on here. If you look back far enough on this thread, you'll find I'm one of the first people to recommend the Crack pairing with the T90, and many people have subsequently agreed upon it sounding good.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/607079/beyerdynamic-t90-d/930#post_9777389

http://www.head-fi.org/t/607079/beyerdynamic-t90-d/930#post_9780801

 

Granted those posts were written before I experienced the HE-500 or HD800, both of which I find to be superior. Today I went back to the T90 for a listen, and found it to be more sibilant and harsh than the HD800, which was surprising for me after reading all about its own sibilance problems. So far I've not had any sibilance problems with the HD800. I also do not remember the T90 to be this harsh or sibilant, especially through the Crack, but it's probably because I was using it all the time and did not notice it anymore. I'm betting a lot of people on here saying the T90 is not harsh or sibilant do not spend a lot of time with other pairs of headphones, so they're all used to the T90's sound. And there's nothing wrong with that if you're enjoying the sound. ;)

post #1409 of 2231
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post


I recently got the HD800. Had the T90 for months now. After reading how lifeless, and non-euphonic the HD800 was, I was surprised at how musical they sounded, even in rock/pop genres. Of headphones I've heard, it's definitely top two in rock/pop, and by far #1 in classical/orchestral. The only other headphone I've tried that could outclass the HD800 in rock/pop is the HE-500. Even then, it's very close. It's all dependent on the chain, and I'm using the same chain for the T90 and the HD800 which is Bottlehead Quickie (tube preamp) -> Bottlehead Crack -> headphone. The HE-500 uses the Emotiva MiniX speaker amp instead of the Crack. To be fair, I found the T90 to sound about the same, whether or not the Quickie is in the chain. The HE-500 and HD800 benefit a lot more from the Quickie. Especially the HD800, with the Quickie in the chain, it sounded good for rock/pop. Before, it did seem to sound a bit lifeless with instruments spread out too far for rock, and vocals sounding stretched out as well. HD800 is very chain dependent as I've found. The HE-500 is power dependent, hence the speaker amp. That's not to say the T90 is not chain dependent. It's just as chain dependent as the others, as I've heard it from solid state amps, and it sounded horrible. Only I didn't find the Quickie to benefit much in the chain for the T90. I tried Quickie + Emotiva (solid state) with T90, and it didn't sound as good as through Crack alone. Then I tried Quickie + Emotiva with HD800, and it was better than Crack alone. But Quickie + Crack was the best for HD800. Emotiva alone with HD800 or T90 was bad for both, and the Crack sounded better than Emotiva alone for both.

Here's a mathematical way to showing what I just said as it could be a bit confusing:

'>' - left better than right
'>>' - left significantly better than right

For T90:
Quickie+Crack = Crack alone > Quickie+Emotiva > Emotiva alone

For HE-500:
Quickie+Emotiva > Emotiva alone

For HD800:
Quickie+Crack > Quickie+Emotiva >> Crack alone >> Emotiva alone

Thus, I concluded the Quickie to pulls a lot of weight for the HD800, but not so much for the T90. HE-500 sounds better with Quickie in chain, but Emotiva alone is not bad, so it's somewhere in between in how much weight it pulls.

Granted, I've not tried an exhaustive number of amps with the T90, but this is all experience with the Crack, which is a well regarded pairing on here. If you look back far enough on this thread, you'll find I'm one of the first people to recommend the Crack pairing with the T90, and many people have subsequently agreed upon it sounding good.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/607079/beyerdynamic-t90-d/930#post_9777389
http://www.head-fi.org/t/607079/beyerdynamic-t90-d/930#post_9780801

Granted those posts were written before I experienced the HE-500 or HD800, both of which I find to be superior. Today I went back to the T90 for a listen, and found it to be more sibilant and harsh than the HD800, which was surprising for me after reading all about its own sibilance problems. So far I've not had any sibilance problems with the HD800. I also do not remember the T90 to be this harsh or sibilant, especially through the Crack, but it's probably because I was using it all the time and did not notice it anymore. I'm betting a lot of people on here saying the T90 is not harsh or sibilant do not spend a lot of time with other pairs of headphones, so they're all used to the T90's sound. And there's nothing wrong with that if you're enjoying the sound. wink.gif

Thanks again for the informative comparisons; always enjoy your input. I do notice the sibilance found in the T90s has subsided (or as you concluded above, I've gotten used to it somewhat). I really need to get the Crack, but I'm in no way, shape, or form a DIY'er. I know it's supposed to be simple, but I'm pretty sure it won't be. biggrin.gif
post #1410 of 2231
Try listening to the T90 paired with a WA7 instead of the Crack, or drop in an RCA cleartop 12AU7 and Osram A1834 into the Crack. No harshness.
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