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post #1201 of 2426
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Originally Posted by atomicbob View Post
 

Have the Crack. Have the speedball kit also, but haven't installed it yet. The Crack has a lot going for it. No noise, no hum, no hiss. With good tubes and no microphonics or pings, pops, etc. RCA cleartop 12AU7 and Bendix 6080wb have been delivering an excellent silent background for auditory contrast. Tube rolling opportunities with the Crack also allow tailoring the sound signature. What the ZDSE offers beyond the Crack is a better sense of air around the instruments. The dimensionality and sense of space is much greater. Even though I really enjoy the ZDSE, I won't be selling the Crack. It offers a more rose colored glass presentation of the music. When a recording has certain flaws in the mix or mastering, the Crack has a way of smoothing over those fine details. ZDSE isn't as kind. That is one of the big trade-offs. For well recorded music the ZDSE offers a spectacular presentation.

 

 I also have the O2. Owning both an O2 and a Crack is a great way to cover both accurate and euphonic reproduction without breaking the bank.

Good point, I'm rather limited honestly on what kinds of tube amps I can own. As I have a balanced dac... kinda feel the need to feed that into a balanced Tube which the cheapest would be the LD MK VI+ at about $700 dollars... not to mention the 2 pre amp tubes and $ power tubes that need rolling >.>

post #1202 of 2426
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

Good point, I'm rather limited honestly on what kinds of tube amps I can own. As I have a balanced dac... kinda feel the need to feed that into a balanced Tube which the cheapest would be the LD MK VI+ at about $700 dollars... not to mention the 2 pre amp tubes and $ power tubes that need rolling >.>

The audio-gd NFB-10es2? It has both balanced and unbalanced outputs. If the unbalanced output has the same care given in implementations as the balanced outs, it will perform admirably with unbalanced input amps. I have a Violectric V800 connected to both a V200 (balanced) and a WA3+ or Crack (unbalanced.) It drives both well. Also use the unbalanced out of a V800 for the ZDSE.

post #1203 of 2426
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Originally Posted by atomicbob View Post


I am privileged to have both the T90 and HD800. [cut stuff] .. I'll give the nod to the T90 for electronica and trance, though a TH-900 will do those even better.

 

I was just browsing through this thread and saw this. So the T90 continue to punch well beyond their price class into that $1500 realm (with the TH-900) quite a bit is what you're saying? ;)

I do enjoy my electronica. Every time I see these comparisons with the T90 highly regarded it makes me smile knowing I made a good choice. Down with buyer's remorse! (Beyer's remorse?)

post #1204 of 2426

lol beyers remorse.

 

only beyers remorse I ever had was the dt 250.....what a boring headphone they are.

 

The T90's ended my headphone search pretty quickly after buying them lol....they do everything remarkably well......but with classical they go to even another level,if you have them and a good dac...get some 24bit-96hz classical music and prepare to be in awe. 


Edited by Flognuts - 11/12/13 at 9:20pm
post #1205 of 2426
Absolutely nothing boring about hearing Little Feat - Fatman in the Bathtub through the T90, though the V800 and ZDSE certainly play a part. The only downside being such an addictive sound.
post #1206 of 2426
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post
 

... I wonder how the Vali will do with the T90 my self actually

 

non the less, you have heard that many feel a Recable of the T90 brings a noticable improvement to the sound, that said... I think MAYBE going for a Balanced Audio GD Amp [like the 10.33 which is about $600] might yeild some nice results to!  Pretty sure you could sell the O2 and Dragon Fly for around $200 or so maybe more, leaving you well with $400 to pay for the New Solid State!, You can also ship your T90 to BTG Audio, Brian can do a recable for like $100 [pretty damn chea] and his build quality isn't to shabby. So all in all about $500 in cost [which should be less than a Crack+SpeedBall] and I think you would REALLY enjoy what balanced brings to well any headphone! I found my DT 880 when balanced got a more visceral bass and better extension on both ends, the often Bright Beyers also got a nice... sense of smoothness to the Highs! I never found the DT 880 to be bright or sibilant, yet the Un balanced Dt 880's treble is not as smooth or extended as the balanced DT 880, additionally there's the added detail and sound stage.

 

That is how ever my 2 sense :3, I used to run an oDac+Matrix M Stage and I felt the AGD 10ES2 was a BIG step forward! And both my HE 400 and DT 880 experinced a simmilar set of improvements with balanced sound, namely better extension on both ends, a more viceseral bass and smoother highs. In turn the additional sound stage width and depth allows the mids to stand their ground nicely as well. In addition :D there's a fellow on the Mad Dog Thread who's reported the same benefits from going balanced as well :3 [even his wife could tell the differance, with SE sounding "more closed in"]

 

But you could always get a tube too! 

I'm certainly open to a recable, though I wouldn't go balanced just due to all my existing equipment. I have a KingRex UD384 DAC, and several other pieces that I'd have to replace. So based on the costs, I personally find balanced to be a big pain.

 

I'm going to see what the Vali looks like when it launches for sure.

post #1207 of 2426
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Originally Posted by atomicbob View Post
 

Have the Crack. Have the speedball kit also, but haven't installed it yet. The Crack has a lot going for it. No noise, no hum, no hiss. With good tubes and no microphonics or pings, pops, etc. RCA cleartop 12AU7 and Bendix 6080wb have been delivering an excellent silent background for auditory contrast. Tube rolling opportunities with the Crack also allow tailoring the sound signature. What the ZDSE offers beyond the Crack is a better sense of air around the instruments. The dimensionality and sense of space is much greater. Even though I really enjoy the ZDSE, I won't be selling the Crack. It offers a more rose colored glass presentation of the music. When a recording has certain flaws in the mix or mastering, the Crack has a way of smoothing over those fine details. ZDSE isn't as kind. That is one of the big trade-offs. For well recorded music the ZDSE offers a spectacular presentation.

 

 I also have the O2. Owning both an O2 and a Crack is a great way to cover both accurate and euphonic reproduction without breaking the bank.

That may be my path, if I don't get a Vali - we'll see. The wife stole my O2 for her headphones, so it's time to buy a new solid state as well. I did enjoy the O2, but I can't help the itch to try something else! :) Damn this hobby... 

post #1208 of 2426
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Originally Posted by DaveUpton View Post
 

I'm certainly open to a recable, though I wouldn't go balanced just due to all my existing equipment. I have a KingRex UD384 DAC, and several other pieces that I'd have to replace. So based on the costs, I personally find balanced to be a big pain.

 

I'm going to see what the Vali looks like when it launches for sure.

Yea I only went balanced cuz I got a Balanced Dt 880 600ohm for $230 :O SO that said I decided WELP time to go BALANCED, plus I need an upgrade to my oDac and M Stage, the NFB 10ES2 was just to convient to pass up! 

 

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Originally Posted by DaveUpton View Post
 

That may be my path, if I don't get a Vali - we'll see. The wife stole my O2 for her headphones, so it's time to buy a new solid state as well. I did enjoy the O2, but I can't help the itch to try something else! :) Damn this hobby... 

That is awesome news! The wife enjoying the O2 :D good man! 

post #1209 of 2426

Has anyone done a head-to-head T90 vs. Senn HD700? With the HD700 now available for $650, they are direct competitors. I have a HD800 and am looking for a second phone for a portable/transportable system.

post #1210 of 2426
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Originally Posted by JeffA View Post
 

Has anyone done a head-to-head T90 vs. Senn HD700? With the HD700 now available for $650, they are direct competitors. I have a HD800 and am looking for a second phone for a portable/transportable system.

I did a while back. Look for my review on the T90 page on Amazon. To sum it up, I find the T90 to present a more forward and intimate sound with better detailing and excitement. The HD700 has a wider soundstage and a grander sound more suited for movies and perhaps classical/orchestral pieces. The T90 is better for rock or pop. The T90 really shines when its sibilance issue are are tamed by an OTL amp like the Bottlehead Crack. In the end, I prefer the T90 for a more intimate and energetic sound.

post #1211 of 2426

HD700 is $650 now? The local shops in my country are still selling them at double the price...


Edited by madriz - 11/16/13 at 1:02pm
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Want to clear up a misconception here on headfi.  I just spoke with Pete Carini, Beyerdynamics USA, about warranty repair on headphones purchased here on headfi.  My pair was purchased used from another headfier....even though the repair is within the two year warranty, the warranty is void for the second owner and beyond, even with the original receipt.  Warranty is on the valid to the original owner/buyer, so buyer beware.  This applies to purchases from Amazon Warehouse as well, if these were sold to original buyer, then returned to Amazon, and Amazon sells them at a reduced cost as, like new, the warrant is invalid.  Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, AKG, etc, the same policy applies.

post #1213 of 2426
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Originally Posted by cute View Post
 

Want to clear up a misconception here on headfi.  I just spoke with Pete Carini, Beyerdynamics USA, about warranty repair on headphones purchased here on headfi.  My pair was purchased used from another headfier....even though the repair is within the two year warranty, the warranty is void for the second owner and beyond, even with the original receipt.  Warranty is on the valid to the original owner/buyer, so buyer beware.  This applies to purchases from Amazon Warehouse as well, if these were sold to original buyer, then returned to Amazon, and Amazon sells them at a reduced cost as, like new, the warrant is invalid.  Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, AKG, etc, the same policy applies.

 

Wow that really blows goats. At least we aren't paying $400, $500, $600 and  up on this headphones..oh wait.

 

This kind of **** makes me want to slap people. Stand behind your product. You're already in a shrinking marketplace and are squeezing people's nuts in a vice at the price you're at, vendors. 

post #1214 of 2426
Didn't you also recable them as well? That would've void them already.
post #1215 of 2426

That's the same policy that Westone has. I've always assumed that's standard policy.  In fact, what companies do have transferable warranties?


Edited by fiascogarcia - 11/20/13 at 8:34pm
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