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post #1186 of 2173
I could own a T1. I choose to listen to a T90. It works better for me. Right this moment it is creating auditory magic with a Zana Deux SE, for my ears.
post #1187 of 2173
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Originally Posted by TJ Max View Post

Ok, I stand corrected on the specifications, but I still think the T1 is a waste of money. Its not better than the T90, it sounds different but not better. The term "Flagship" is just marketing babel. Also my mentioning of the similation of the T1 with T90 was read into too deeply. I wasnt suggesting that you should do this or even that its 100% accurate, but I was using the approximation as a guide, while being under the notion that most people here knew what Accudio is.
But I understand the phychologial sting for those prideful owners of the T1 who just read that thier $1400 headphone wasn't worth it, so I'll just end with "Its just my free opinion folks!"

 

Have you actually listened to both of the headphones for real? Guessing about the sound of one of them with a simulation of the response is very far of what you are getting. No simulator can simulate the imaging, soundstage, distortion levels, or even the exact kind of bass, mid or whatever quality to expect. Adding or subtracting part of a response doesn't tell you even a glimpse of what the headphone sounds like. Believe me I've tried for my own purposes.

 

I compared them side by side long ago when I was purchasing one or the other and felt that the T1 was definitely better - mainly in soundstaging, imaging and I found the T90 too bright for me personally. For someone who can afford to pay for the better quality headphone, I did just that.

 

But yeah it is correct to say that the T90 is a better value. But even then the DT880 on sale is a better value than the the T90. If you are on a strict budget and prefer to go with a more affordable unit the T90 is pretty good.

post #1188 of 2173
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Originally Posted by Saren View Post

Have you actually listened to both of the headphones for real? Guessing about the sound of one of them with a simulation of the response is very far of what you are getting. No simulator can simulate the imaging, soundstage, distortion levels, or even the exact kind of bass, mid or whatever quality to expect. Adding or subtracting part of a response doesn't tell you even a glimpse of what the headphone sounds like. Believe me I've tried for my own purposes.

I compared them side by side long ago when I was purchasing one or the other and felt that the T1 was definitely better - mainly in soundstaging, imaging and I found the T90 too bright for me personally. For someone who can afford to pay for the better quality headphone, I did just that.

But yeah it is correct to say that the T90 is a better value. But even then the DT880 on sale is a better value than the the T90. If you are on a strict budget and prefer to go with a more affordable unit the T90 is pretty good.

My impression on the the T1 is based on more than a estimated simulation (Re read my post I'm not trying to be scientific), I also read reviews and descriptions from others who own them. So you think the T1 is better than the T90, but to do think the difference is practical? Is it $800 better? I still stand behind my first notion, No it's not! If money was no issue for me I'd feel more satisfied donating that extra money to the poor hurricane victims in the Philippines this week.
Edited by TJ Max - 11/10/13 at 6:49am
post #1189 of 2173

C'mon, you each like your headphones.  That's cool.  No more guilt trips!

post #1190 of 2173
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Originally Posted by fiascogarcia View Post

C'mon, you each like your headphones.  That's cool.  No more guilt trips!


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post #1191 of 2173
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Originally Posted by jbarrentine View Post
 

 

I almost spit my drink out. We're 'simulating' headphones now, are we? That's a level of absurd I didn't really expect to see posted here. 

 

With you there :3 listening to your T90 through an iPhone and with an Eq lol what ever floats your boat! ALthough the ppl who prefer iPhone listening... the K812 is here :3 enjoy

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Originally Posted by TJ Max View Post

Ok, I stand corrected on the specifications, but I still think the T1 is a waste of money. Its not better than the T90, it sounds different but not better. The term "Flagship" is just marketing babel. Also my mentioning of the similation of the T1 with T90 was read into too deeply. I wasnt suggesting that you should do this or even that its 100% accurate, but I was using the approximation as a guide, while being under the notion that most people here knew what Accudio is.
But I understand the phychologial sting for those prideful owners of the T1 who just read that thier $1400 headphone wasn't worth it, so I'll just end with "Its just my free opinion folks!"

Actually... the T1 has a higher impedance rating and Angled drivers... those differances seem worth the price increase! As the higher impedance allows it to be more effectively used with most of the Higher powered TOTL Tubes and Balanced Solid States 

 

That and I'm not a fan of Software eq :3 I don't like the volitale nature of software :D 

post #1192 of 2173
Lucky I didnt pay full price for the T1 then wink.gif got them for 800 AUD

I already donate to oxfam, the good Friday appeal and the McGrath foundation. I respect your noble suggestion.
post #1193 of 2173

I recently built a DHC Peptide type 2 litz, 8 wire braid, dual entry cable......and it brings the missing bass and smooths the highs, puts some meat into the notes, really a nice sound.  Using my tube amp.....very textured, impactful tight bass, gorgeous mids and highs.  Couldn't want for anything more from the T90.....with the cable upgrade they are worthy of the $600 price tag, got mine for $500, cable build was less than $200!

post #1194 of 2173

Figured this would be a good place to shout out; can any of you point me to a good vendor to convert my T90's to dual mini-xlr's; one per cup? I have some nice Audeze cables (balanced and SE) that I'd like to use. Thanks in advance.

post #1195 of 2173
Brian over at BTG Audio is one. I think he did the mod for Malveaux's dt770s.
post #1196 of 2173

Perfect. Thanks!

post #1197 of 2173
@migasson: don't know if you watch this space but I'm here to tell you the T90 scales very well. Zana Deux SE really helps them to deliver at another level of 3-D, sense of space and air around the instruments. Just finishing a 5 hr listening session. Kind of lost track of time.
post #1198 of 2173

atomicbob,


Really appreciate your posts on this thread. I've had my T90's now for about 6 months and have driven with an O2, DragonFly and old Marantz receiver.


The next step is a tube amp, but I think it needs to complement the sig of the T90 and tame the "sibilance" ever so slightly. Have you had the chance to listen on a variety of tubes other than the ZDSE? I'm torn between the Crack+Speedball, Schiit Vali, Project Ember at the moment. ZDSE is a little more than I want to spend, since most of my cash goes into the hifi system.

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Originally Posted by DaveUpton View Post
 

atomicbob,


Really appreciate your posts on this thread. I've had my T90's now for about 6 months and have driven with an O2, DragonFly and old Marantz receiver.


The next step is a tube amp, but I think it needs to complement the sig of the T90 and tame the "sibilance" ever so slightly. Have you had the chance to listen on a variety of tubes other than the ZDSE? I'm torn between the Crack+Speedball, Schiit Vali, Project Ember at the moment. ZDSE is a little more than I want to spend, since most of my cash goes into the hifi system

... I wonder how the Vali will do with the T90 my self actually

 

non the less, you have heard that many feel a Recable of the T90 brings a noticable improvement to the sound, that said... I think MAYBE going for a Balanced Audio GD Amp [like the 10.33 which is about $600] might yeild some nice results to!  Pretty sure you could sell the O2 and Dragon Fly for around $200 or so maybe more, leaving you well with $400 to pay for the New Solid State!, You can also ship your T90 to BTG Audio, Brian can do a recable for like $100 [pretty damn chea] and his build quality isn't to shabby. So all in all about $500 in cost [which should be less than a Crack+SpeedBall] and I think you would REALLY enjoy what balanced brings to well any headphone! I found my DT 880 when balanced got a more visceral bass and better extension on both ends, the often Bright Beyers also got a nice... sense of smoothness to the Highs! I never found the DT 880 to be bright or sibilant, yet the Un balanced Dt 880's treble is not as smooth or extended as the balanced DT 880, additionally there's the added detail and sound stage.

 

That is how ever my 2 sense :3, I used to run an oDac+Matrix M Stage and I felt the AGD 10ES2 was a BIG step forward! And both my HE 400 and DT 880 experinced a simmilar set of improvements with balanced sound, namely better extension on both ends, a more viceseral bass and smoother highs. In turn the additional sound stage width and depth allows the mids to stand their ground nicely as well. In addition :D there's a fellow on the Mad Dog Thread who's reported the same benefits from going balanced as well :3 [even his wife could tell the differance, with SE sounding "more closed in"]

 

But you could always get a tube too! 

post #1200 of 2173
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Originally Posted by DaveUpton View Post
 

atomicbob,


Really appreciate your posts on this thread. I've had my T90's now for about 6 months and have driven with an O2, DragonFly and old Marantz receiver.


The next step is a tube amp, but I think it needs to complement the sig of the T90 and tame the "sibilance" ever so slightly. Have you had the chance to listen on a variety of tubes other than the ZDSE? I'm torn between the Crack+Speedball, Schiit Vali, Project Ember at the moment. ZDSE is a little more than I want to spend, since most of my cash goes into the hifi system.

Have the Crack. Have the speedball kit also, but haven't installed it yet. The Crack has a lot going for it. No noise, no hum, no hiss. With good tubes and no microphonics or pings, pops, etc. RCA cleartop 12AU7 and Bendix 6080wb have been delivering an excellent silent background for auditory contrast. Tube rolling opportunities with the Crack also allow tailoring the sound signature. What the ZDSE offers beyond the Crack is a better sense of air around the instruments. The dimensionality and sense of space is much greater. Even though I really enjoy the ZDSE, I won't be selling the Crack. It offers a more rose colored glass presentation of the music. When a recording has certain flaws in the mix or mastering, the Crack has a way of smoothing over those fine details. ZDSE isn't as kind. That is one of the big trade-offs. For well recorded music the ZDSE offers a spectacular presentation.

 

 I also have the O2. Owning both an O2 and a Crack is a great way to cover both accurate and euphonic reproduction without breaking the bank.

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