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post #61 of 72
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They were designed for classical.
Oh I assure you: so were the HD600s. But you're right, it would never hurt to try the AKGs.

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I think my clock stopped before the 1800's when it comes to classical...
Whoa, not even Brahms!?! You're missing out, man...

But I agree with you that you probably won't need much low bass if you listen mostly to Mozart.
post #62 of 72
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Originally posted by fredpb

Has anyone ever compared the Sony V6's and the Sony MDR7506's directly? I find it hard to believe that Sony would put out the same product at $55 and $100. I think the 7506's are outstanding, and anyone could live with them. But I am suspect that the V6's are really the same thing. When I got the 7506's I listed to a LOT of sony's at the same time. NO other number or named Sony sounded the same. Some looked identical, but the sound of the others stunk.

So, are the Sony V6's and 7506's REALLY the same item?
Yes, they are the same. I have both and they sound the same and replacement parts are interchangeable. The difference in price is due to the target market of each.
post #63 of 72
RE: Classical bass, or lack thereof.

Have you ever seen a symphonic bass drum? It's like 2.5 times the diameter of your average rock bass drum, they are huge. That translates to low low frequencies. It's a very subtle effect when muffled by the percussionist's arm or hand, but in a concert hall you really do feel it, and it adds a lot of depth (and I imagine you would need some low bass response to get all the way down there.) Don't forget Tympany either.

Plus, the 1812 Overture without low bass is just incomplete (cannons, people! Cannons!!)

Now, in terms of headphones, I'm not sure where hearing ends and feeling the airwave begins in terms of Hertz (which is a big deal with headphones) but having played percussion in orchestras and bands for several years, I promise there's bass!

RE: Sony's product line:

Isn't most of sony's product line overpriced? This is SONY! And you don't think they wouldn't gold-plate the plug and try to sell the same product for lots more? Plus, the MSRP of the V6 is like $150 or something isn't it?
post #64 of 72
It's even been clear that the R10 is over priced at $4000. See a pattern here? If the R10s werent good sounding headphones to begin with, they'd be down there with the V600s as far as being over priced goes. The only reason they still remain a good headphone, is because theres really nothing else in that price range as far as a dynamic headphone goes that can compete. If there were a $2500 headphone that kicked it's panties off, it'd instantly become over priced and mediocre sounding like the rest of Sony's products in their respective price range. Accept for the majority, which are WELL below mediocre sounding in their price range.
post #65 of 72
And a lot of headphones you consider "great" ARE "exaderated" and "colored" in one way or another...
post #66 of 72
I think most of these things has to do so much with personal taste that these types of disscussions are somewhat worthless, fun but ultimately worthless.
post #67 of 72
Hey, Look at me.. Getting a pair of DT250s. I'm almost sure the bass is going to be a bit big, compared to what I'm used to. The truth is, for the music I'll be using them with, this is what I want! Maybe theres a bit of bass-tard in me afterall...

It's ALL colored. ALL of it. It's never going to present it's self to you and convince you that you're listening live. Might as well find out which "color" you like best.
post #68 of 72
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Originally posted by danieln
The HD600 vs. V6 test only included classical and some jazz. If you asked me, these 2 kinds of music are the worst for V6 (jazz to some less extent than classical). The V6s indeed have very poor instrument separation, and a harsh midrange.
I would agree with this.


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Some say the KSC-35s are better... they don't shine with any music, and they suck as bad with classical music as the V6s.
I would *strongly* disagree with this. I listen to classical on my KSC-35 quite often, and they do a great job -- in fact, they do as good a job, IMO, as any other can under $100. I prefer them to Grado SR-60 for classical.


Moving on... I'm amazed at how many people here feel that the V6 is "overrated." Overrated how? They are clearly the best closed headphones under $100 (Todd speaks highly of the Senn 25, but no one seems to have done a comparison). As I've said many times, they are a bit analytical and don't have great midrange, but I still have yet to see another closed can in the same price range that is better... and after all, isn't "closed cans under $100" the usual topic when the V6 are recommended?

Don't get me wrong -- for everything but gaming and isolation, I *much* prefer listening to the KSC-35. But I would not say the V6 are overrated by any means.


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Originally posted by DustyChalk
I only paid US$120 for my DT770 Pro's. So if you say in the less than US$150 class, my Beyer's wipe them.
Yes, but then you have to include the cost of an amp, since the 770 are definitely "amp" cans



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Originally posted by fiddler
Well, I haven't heard the AKGs and I currently think the HD600s are THE headphones for classical.
Actually, I own both, and have the amp to power them both I *much* prefer the HD600 to the K501 for classical, mainly because the K501, while having great detail and good midrange, simply can't reproduce the low bass found in much of the classical music I listen to.


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Originally posted by fredpb
Has anyone ever compared the Sony V6's and the Sony MDR7506's directly? I find it hard to believe that Sony would put out the same product at $55 and $100. I think the 7506's are outstanding, and anyone could live with them. But I am suspect that the V6's are really the same thing. When I got the 7506's I listed to a LOT of sony's at the same time. NO other number or named Sony sounded the same. Some looked identical, but the sound of the others stunk.

So, are the Sony V6's and 7506's REALLY the same item?
Grrr... don't get me started Do a search Actually, here's the entire raucous debate that happened in another thread:

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...0&pagenumber=1

(it starts about halfway through)

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Originally posted by danieln
Most classical music does not have much bass to start with (OK, except for some organ and piano music). And yes, the 501s lack bass. But with 99% of classical music, the 501s sound perfect to me. Simply put, I would not change anything. They sound like the real thing. At least, you can give them a try if you have a chance
Woah... most classical does not have much bass? Classical has more and deeper bass than any other kind of music save some electronic stuff. In fact, that's exactly why I prefer the HD600 to the K501 for classical -- it actually produces the full range of classical performances. But, as I've said before, if the low bass isn't as important to you, or if you like classical that doesn't have a lot, the K501 are excellent.
post #69 of 72
Fiddler,
Glad you like your new headphones and amp

What do you think made the biggest difference in sound, the new cans, or, adding a dedicated amp?

For now I decided to try the HP890, but I might end up with the same combo you have one day.

I'm not familiar with your source, so can't comment on if it should be upgraded.

As far as wires, yes they can make a difference.
I'd upgrade the interconnects first. The AR pro's
you got are a good minimal improvement. I like the QED qunex 2. You can spend LOTS on interconnects but
I think these two give the biggest bang for the buck. After that I'd do the clou's.

I'm not so sure about the need to upgrade the power supply wire. Haven't tried it yet though.
I plug my stereo in a standard wall plug.
I know that plug if fed with solid core copper
wire (probably 14 gauge). So, maybe we should just
use some more romex cable to feed power to our tunes? I can't see changing the power wire unless you also ran a dedicated circut for the stereo, and ran some kind of power conditioner on it.
post #70 of 72
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What do you think made the biggest difference in sound, the new cans, or, adding a dedicated amp?
The cans, definitely. Even when driving both headphones through the headphone jack on my integrated, I still prefer the HD600s. The difference between the two aren't as huge as when you drive them from a dedicated amp, though.
post #71 of 72
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Originally posted by MacDEF:

Moving on... I'm amazed at how many people here feel that the V6 is "overrated."
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I am amazed at how many people are amazed

OK, my experience: I have been into headphones for just a few months. Before I bought my 7506s, I did a thorough research on this board and others. From what I had read, the V6s/7506s sounded like the Holy Grail of Headphones! They are not! They have some major problems. Still, I prefer them to my Portas since I do a serious amount of movie watching, and they have the impact the Portas lack.

This does not mean that they are not good values. They are a great value, IMHO. Is just that their sonic quality is not as good as many say. That's what I understand by overrated.

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Originally posted by MacDEF:

Classical has more and deeper bass than any other kind of music save some electronic stuff. In fact, that's exactly why I prefer the HD600 to the K501 for classical -- it actually produces the full range of classical performances. But, as I've said before, if the low bass isn't as important to you, or if you like classical that doesn't have a lot, the K501 are excellent.

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OK, fine, you win .
Bass or no bass, it should not hurt fiddler to just try the 501s. That was my point. Vertigo likes his Sonys. Pigmode, Xander, Neruda (if I remeber correctly) prefer the 501s. Lini and Tomcat like their Beyers (which Fredbp hated). Jude and and MacDEF like their Senns... you get the idea. I have not tried the good Senns and the Beyers, and I am not going to disqualify any of them, since many like them, just because some others didn't.
post #72 of 72
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Originally posted by danieln
OK, fine, you win .
Bass or no bass, it should not hurt fiddler to just try the 501s. That was my point. Vertigo likes his Sonys. Pigmode, Xander, Neruda (if I remeber correctly) prefer the 501s. Lini and Tomcat like their Beyers (which Fredbp hated). Jude and and MacDEF like their Senns... you get the idea. I have not tried the good Senns and the Beyers, and I am not going to disqualify any of them, since many like them, just because some others didn't.
LOL, just to be clear, I wan't taking exception to your rec of the K501 -- just that classical doesn't have low bass The K501 do sound great with classical.
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