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post #46 of 72
The V6's were only found for so cheap recently...for some strange reason they have been only strongly criticized only recently. They have been criticized ages before however like any other phone.

Honestly I also never felt they were my cup of tea...I gave them a BETTER listen than at the store, but at home I could still *quickly* hear that although clearly doing an adequate job in most areas and a good job in extreme low bass, I personally wouldn't keep em for $80.

Also I'm probably not a big fan of full-sized closed phones...I kinda liked the Denon-AH950, but I have already said that most of the time during the time I had them I used MS-1's the most. Once I got Ety's...the Denon's were sold in a heartbeat. But this is also because I got them for $75 dollars and was able to sell them at a price where I had very little loss if any.

Also Headroom says the DT831 are some of the best closed headphones...which if what Jan and several others have said about DT931 being better than the DT831. And believe me, having tamable treble, and more bass extension seems like very large advantages to me especially in regards to Beyers Hi-Fi line. Than I would have to believe that overall most full-sized closed headphones are working off quite a large disadvantage. Given this disadvantage, I don't think the V6 are truly bad at all if you need the advantages of a closed headphone, especially at the lower price you can get them at.
post #47 of 72
I've lived with a V6 for the last four months. I recently upgraded to an HD580. I thought about selling the V6, but decided that I liked it too much to do so. It does justice to all manner of electronic music, an important component of my listening.

For what it's worth, I prefer the V6 to the Grado SR-60 by a mile. I haven't heard any other Grado save the SR-325, and that was a long time ago, so I won't comment further.

I think I'll finish my V6 review in the next couple of days. These are some very nice headphones, especially for the price. The sound isn't for everyone - this is a very subjective field, and my heaven is another man's hell (though, for me, the HD580 is more like heaven, while the V6 is like that part of hell in Dante's Inferno, where the good guys from before the time of Jesus went). I like them a lot, though, and I'll try to explain why I still listen to them, even though I have a headphone that should destroy them in every way.

It pains me to see harsh words levied against one of my favorite pieces of equipment - such might keep some anonymous reader from auditioning headphones that (in my opinion) have some definite strengths (and, in all fairness, some weaknesses, though I feel those have been overstated in this thread). Oh well, maybe I just don't know any better, and the V6 really does suck. Only time will tell... only time.
post #48 of 72
Even if the V6 is full sized and closed the KSC 35's still sound better (IMO) for $25 or less and that for me is the bottom line. I would place the V6 along the lines of the Koss UR 30. NOT along the lines of Grado sr80's.
post #49 of 72
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Comparing a mass market "studio" headphone, Sony MDR-V6/7506 to a high end masterpiece, Sennheiser HD 600 doesn't make sense. So this review is bizarre!
But I did state that it was NOT by any means a fair comparison! It just happened to be that the Sonys were my only point of reference, so all my opinions about the Senns are relative to the Sonys. But for 60 bucks, hell even 85 bucks (which is the price I payed), the V6s are still a great value! I also have a pair of KSC-50s and I do in fact find them more enjoyable to listen to sometimes. But they are very open, and don't provide nearly as much isolation as the closed V6s, consequently the Sony get used far more often than the Koss.
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Tell me one closed can that runs for $55-$60 that outperforms the V6's? What? What?! Can't think of one eh? I thought so!
My thoughts exactly.

And as danieln pointed out, I only compared the two using classical and jazz, because that's what I'm going to be listening to out of this setup. Actually, more like 95% classical. I listen A LOT for reference purposes.
I did try some rock/alternative stuff on the Senns, and did not like it. I felt the V6s were more enjoyable for this type of music. The drier sound seems to be suited more for rock than the "syrupy" Senns. I really would love to get a chance to hear some Grados...

Again, I don't feel at all that the V6s are overrated. The fact remains that there are NO other closed cans that perform better at the same price.
post #50 of 72
Fiddler, if you like classical music, you should give a try to the AKG 501s. They completely blow away the V6/7506s when it comes to classical music. With well recorded material, I really cannot find a fault with the 501s. They are THE headphones for classical music.
post #51 of 72
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Originally posted by ai0tron
Even if the V6 is full sized and closed the KSC 35's still sound better (IMO) for $25 or less and that for me is the bottom line. I would place the V6 along the lines of the Koss UR 30. NOT along the lines of Grado sr80's.
See, I won't debate this, only because I'll never convince him to hear what I hear, or like I do. I owned the UR-30's for a short time, and I can say that, to my ears, they didn't sound nearly as good to me as the V6/7506's. In fact, I didn't much care for the UR-30's at all.

There is at least one prominent audio industry figure who likes them too: http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/gen...ges/11056.html

(for more info on John Dunlavy and his products, click here)

But this still won't convince someone who hates the way they sound that they're good.
post #52 of 72
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Fiddler, if you like classical music, you should give a try to the AKG 501s. They completely blow away the V6/7506s when it comes to classical music. With well recorded material, I really cannot find a fault with the 501s. They are THE headphones for classical music.
But of course, you're saying this without actually having heard the Senns right? Well, I haven't heard the AKGs and I currently think the HD600s are THE headphones for classical.
Right now, I am very happy with the bass I hear out of the Senns, so I'm not so sure I'd like the allegedly rolled-off bass of the AKG...
post #53 of 72
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I currently think the HD600s are THE headphones for classical.
Yeah but . . . aren't they?
post #54 of 72
Thread Starter 
Oh by the way: I just upgraded my interconnects to the Acoustic Research Pro series. I was skeptical at first, and I was afraid that I wasn't going to hear any difference between the two. Boy was I wrong! Although the difference didn't hit me immediately, when I switched back to the RatShacks, I could easily hear the elements that were lacking. With the AR, clarity is improved, bass response seems to be better, and the midrange seems to be less wooly.
Now I'm a believer!
post #55 of 72
I do have a comment in general, and a question.

I listen to many types of music. I have used, Grado's, MDR7506's, HD600's, HD580's, Beyer DT990's, and AKG 240's.

DT990's? Exaggerated bass and treble, which creates a big hole in the midrange. No likey.

AKG: Hard to drive. No bass. Overall, No likey.

Grado's:No bass. Very bright, but not dirty. Got sick of them. Gone. No likey.

HD580's/HD600's: Likey. Very difficult to drive. NO low end bass, and rolled off in the highs. Superb detail (Grado's also had great detail). Headphones of main system with ASL MG Head OTL.
Not completely happy with the HD600's. Plan to try Clou's soon.

MDR7506's (not V6's):Incredible range. Not boomy bass, but when it's there you hear it. Best low end I have every heard.
Problem-you hear too much. Not tailored sound like other's above. What you put in, is what you hear. Many people don't like that. Good detail, but not as detailed as Grado's or HD600's.
Best value of any headphone made. GREAT for portables or low power devices. Cushions stink.

That's my "comment". Now the question.

Has anyone ever compared the Sony V6's and the Sony MDR7506's directly? I find it hard to believe that Sony would put out the same product at $55 and $100. I think the 7506's are outstanding, and anyone could live with them. But I am suspect that the V6's are really the same thing. When I got the 7506's I listed to a LOT of sony's at the same time. NO other number or named Sony sounded the same. Some looked identical, but the sound of the others stunk.

So, are the Sony V6's and 7506's REALLY the same item?
post #56 of 72
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But of course, you're saying this without actually having heard the Senns right? Well, I haven't heard the AKGs and I currently think the HD600s are THE headphones for classical.
Right now, I am very happy with the bass I hear out of the Senns, so I'm not so sure I'd like the allegedly rolled-off bass of the AKG...
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No, I have not heard the Senns, I am not sure I will hear them anytime soon. I find the 7506s and 501s to have very different strenghts, and the 7506s + AKG K-501s pretty much cover everything I want to hear (DVD movies, some techno, jazz, classical), at least for now.

Most classical music does not have much bass to start with (OK, except for some organ and piano music). And yes, the 501s lack bass. But with 99% of classical music, the 501s sound perfect to me. Simply put, I would not change anything. They sound like the real thing. At least, you can give them a try if you have a chance

Fredpb, the consensus seems to be that the V6s and the 7506s are the same headphones, and that's what I read in several websites. Some websites even include frequency response charts, and to me that was good enough proof that the 2 are the same
post #57 of 72
Thread Starter 
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HD580's/HD600's: Likey. Very difficult to drive. NO low end bass...
I disagree. While they don't quite go as deep as the V6s, there is plenty of low bass... I really don't feel the HD600s are lacking in bass, and to say that they have NO low bass whatsoever is just not true.

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So, are the Sony V6's and 7506's REALLY the same item?
*Sigh*.. Ok, MacDEF has a V6/7506. No, like REALLY! One earcup says V6 and the other says 7506! They ARE the same damn thing!! (I sound an awful lot like Mike Walker when I say that... heehee). End of discussion!
post #58 of 72
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Originally posted by fredpb
Has anyone ever compared the Sony V6's and the Sony MDR7506's directly? I find it hard to believe that Sony would put out the same product at $55 and $100. I think the 7506's are outstanding, and anyone could live with them. But I am suspect that the V6's are really the same thing. When I got the 7506's I listed to a LOT of sony's at the same time. NO other number or named Sony sounded the same. Some looked identical, but the sound of the others stunk.

So, are the Sony V6's and 7506's REALLY the same item?
This is something that i have been thinking about myself. Being an owner of the 7506's i scratch my head everytime some "headfier" actually puts down the V6's. It raises a flag in my book.

It makes me question whether or not there might be some subtle differences, can the gold plated plug have anything to do with it? Don't know. Now i know some folks here will say they own both and they indeed sound identical, etc. Then again, i think fredpb does raise a valid point.

How about if there's the possibility that the drivers may be better matched on the 7506's?

George
post #59 of 72
Thread Starter 
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Most classical music does not have much bass to start with (OK, except for some organ and piano music). And yes, the 501s lack bass. But with 99% of classical music, the 501s sound perfect to me.
Ohhh no no no... Classical music DOES have lots of low bass! Don't you listen to piano and organ music? If so, don't you want to hear the bottom notes?! Double bass can hit all the way down to about 41 hz I believe. If you listen to symphonic music from the late 19th century onwards, many percussion insturments that hit WAAAY down there are often used. Classical music actually has much more low bass information than rock, for example, which has almost NO low bass and ALL upper and mid bass.
post #60 of 72
Yeah, I like Bach a lot, he's my #1 and there is some deep BASS there. I also like Mozart - not much bass, but he was a genius . Chopin for example has a lot of piano pieces, all of them with mids only, no bass.

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If you listen to symphonic music from the late 19th century...
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I think my clock stopped before the 1800's when it comes to classical... Different strokes for different folks...

Hey, try the 501s if you have a chance, there is nothing to loose As I said, with 99% of classical (well, my classical), the 501s sound great. They were designed for classical.
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