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post #46 of 56

Don't you guys realise that carrying on the way you are is validating what he said? The way you're reacting is exactly what you'd expect if he's right.

 

I guess if you had any self-insight you wouldn't believe all that audiophile stuff anyway. Ho hum. Another day, another dollar (spent).

 

w

post #47 of 56
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Originally Posted by qohelet View Post

What can you say about this article?
http://kenrockwell.com/audio/audiophile.htm

 

It seems to me when he was establishing his bona fides he did so via self aggrandizement and belittling his audience, then continued insulting his reader all while setting himself up as some sort of expert with a unique perspective that his reader would never be able to understand. He had some points I suppose but perhaps Strunk and White could have helped him express them a little better. Relatively speaking an ipod and a pair of Porta Pro's could probably run circles around the stuff from the 40's and 50's. In terms of the absurd he was probably referring to stuff like this...or maybe he's just an analog man living in a digital world

post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by wakibaki View Post

Don't you guys realise that carrying on the way you are is validating what he said? The way you're reacting is exactly what you'd expect if he's right.

 

I guess if you had any self-insight you wouldn't believe all that audiophile stuff anyway. Ho hum. Another day, another dollar (spent).

 

w

 

How does that make sense logically?

 

If I insult you and you get offended does that validate my insult?  Presumably any insult one reacts to is then valid?  It is precisely because I do not find what he is saying and the manner in which he says it valid that I take offense.

 

Whether you are selecting a headphone or DAC or amplifier, selecting vacuum tubes or tuning a headphone such as a modified T50RP you need to trust your ears (in fact the T50 was one headphone were the cable made absolutely no difference.)  This is what audiophiles do - and unfortunately it is what leads them to make some foolish investments, and other investments that may seem foolish and fly in the face of common sense, however actually have internal technical validity short of conclusive proof of audibility.

 

Ho Hum (wtf lol)

 

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Edited by drez - 5/7/12 at 12:08am
post #49 of 56

Has anyone here ever gone looking for a new television or projector, only to stumble onto a board full of videophiles ? I dont know if I have just been very unlucky, but I rarely buy new TVs just to keep up with the Joneses or keep on top of new technology - God help anyone who doesnt know their stuff when you encounter this particular breed. I was once given a half-page rant for suggesting that I thought I didnt need a plasma panel - apparently this was akin to casting aspersions on various board members parentage. Lesson learnt - avoid the zealots. 

 

Long story short, I dont really care about pixel count or aspect ratio or other gobbledygook, and I would be quite happy to buy a TV based on a WHF recommendation and some glossy ads - its just a TV. I want a known brand and I want it pronto - I'm not going online to look for a freaking TV. Similarly, I'll probably buy the next Playstation over the next XBox, but I dont lie awake at night over that decision. These are appliances to me - much like a refrigerator - I just want something reasonable that will last 5 or so years. 

 

Fast forward to 2-channel audio, and I find that I now have some very strong prejudices, courtesy of this site and others. If some poor devil wanders into Head-Fi asking about Bose or Beats or something of that ilk, and I might just give them a half page rant. For an 'anti-audiophile' with some decidedly mid-fi aspirations, it would seem that some of the shared online culture of the dreaded audiophile has seeped into my pores. I have to remind myself what it felt like to be on the other end of that videophile's rant, and my incredulity that anyone could get so worked up about an electrical gadget, Its particularly sad when I reflect on how little I actually know about electronics - all I know is that the Bose kit that I've actually heard is poor value for money, IN MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION. 

 

We probably need to take a step back and ask where writers like this bozo get their ammunition - my suspicion is that its handed to them by the boxful. The pedophile bit is beyond pathetic, but its the first time I've seen the other criticisms - there is an old rant floating around about why sound engineers loathe hardcore audiophiles. My advice is to turn your computer off and crank those tunes that make you happy. biggrin.gif

post #50 of 56

Interesting point to bring up videophiles.

 

Again, you will find some very knowledgeable people that aren't zealots.  The actual professionals who work in print media, graphics, photography, etc., that actually need a high-quality, well-calibrated display for work, tend to be pretty reasonable.  Also, those who do a lot of video encoding, those who develop video processing filters and codecs, and so on, also tend to know what they're talking about and have a more practical view of what's necessary.

post #51 of 56
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Originally Posted by mikeaj View Post

Interesting point to bring up videophiles.

 

The actual professionals who work in print media, graphics, photography, etc., that actually need a high-quality, well-calibrated display for work, tend to be pretty reasonable.

 

I just like to add that I'm actually not very reasonable. If my monitor on location is anything less than a calibrated NEC Multisync with IPS panel or similar I refuse to do any work. If I don't know how my color profile will end up in print I stay at home. wink_face.gif Having a sub par panel type when you're expected to deliver what you promise always ends up in higher project cost, unpredictable results and skewed expectations in the end of a project. 


Edited by Negakinu - 5/7/12 at 9:53am
post #52 of 56
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Originally Posted by mikeaj View Post

Interesting point to bring up videophiles.

 

Again, you will find some very knowledgeable people that aren't zealots.  The actual professionals who work in print media, graphics, photography, etc., that actually need a high-quality, well-calibrated display for work, tend to be pretty reasonable.  Also, those who do a lot of video encoding, those who develop video processing filters and codecs, and so on, also tend to know what they're talking about and have a more practical view of what's necessary.

 

Calibration is an area where video has taken great steps to improve consistency across devices and through the whole chain. Getting a well calibrated video monitor is a pretty well established practice for pros and enthusiasts alike; if audio had the same kinds of practice around calibration allot of the questions around performance and quality could be ignored. Not that that the discussions wouldn't happen, but one can be pretty pragmatic when scopes and waveforms tell you what's going on. 

 

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Edited by JadeEast - 5/7/12 at 1:12pm
post #53 of 56

I had a boss once who put his foot down when the bean counters were going to lump us with sub-standard Dell monitors - he successfully argued that they would have contributed to eyestrain and absenteeism. Sadly, he is the only boss I've ever had like that - the others treated their staff like barriers to their headlong rush to the boardroom. 

post #54 of 56
My favourite boss is the one who plays 3 hour concerts.

Sorry, could not resist!
post #55 of 56

I have seen that 'Boss' more times  than you have had a group of girls ask you to join them in the spa.  biggrin.gif

 

BTW, Springsteen actually dislikes that nickname, but he is stuck with it courtesy of a perfectionist streak that wouldnt allow the band to pack up until he had finished a lengthy sound check. From the docos I've seen, he extends that to the studio and I suspect that several members of the E Street Band may have actually enjoyed their 'holiday' as session musos/solo artists. Hard taskmaster, but its worth it when you go to one of his concerts. 

post #56 of 56
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post

I have seen that 'Boss' more times  than you have had a group of girls ask you to join them in the spa.  biggrin.gif

BTW, Springsteen actually dislikes that nickname, but he is stuck with it courtesy of a perfectionist streak that wouldnt allow the band to pack up until he had finished a lengthy sound check. From the docos I've seen, he extends that to the studio and I suspect that several members of the E Street Band may have actually enjoyed their 'holiday' as session musos/solo artists. Hard taskmaster, but its worth it when you go to one of his concerts. 

I'm actually a huge fan of Bruce and go see him whenever I can. He has waaay to much energy for a 62 year old man!

BTW, I've never had a group of girls ask me to join them in the spa, but I keep hoping, what am I missing out on?tongue.gif
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