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post #16 of 244

To me, jazz is typically a genre which doesn't need a big soundstage (it's not classical music).

It's more about having an intimate sound with great separation, and a bit of warmth.

 

And for this, SE535 and UM3X are just perfect.

post #17 of 244

Realize you've stated your mind's pretty much made up, but...

 

With the recommendation for "warm" and "lush", the IEMs that i think of in that way are the Senn IE8's.  Comfortable, warm, relaxing, and great for Jazz. 

 

I don't remember how the isolation was, though.  I've got the W4's and, like others, would not consider them remotely warm or lush.

 

Just a thought.

 

Good luck on your lengthy commutes!  blink.gif

post #18 of 244

My commutes used to be even longer, at about 3 to 3.5 hours each way. eek.gif

 

As the others have said, the UM3X doesn't have a big soundstage -- I suppose that comes with the forward mids. I wouldn't call it lush either (maybe warm) but it's definitely not fatiguing.

post #19 of 244

From your description the Shure 535 would be the best fit for you. I have the W3 and the 535. What amount are you willing to spend?

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I'm ready to get one of these IEM's, and was hoping someone familiar with all three could provide some help. I listen to jazz almost exclusively - late 50's to late 60's. (Miles, Trane, Bill Evans, and all the great guitarists of the era - Wes, Benson, Kessel, Joe P, Burrell, Grant, etc.) I love a warm, lush, forward-mid sound. As far as full sized cans go, I am beyond happy with my Senn HD-650's. I'll be using an iPod Touch 64gb 3rd gen to drive the IEM's. They must be comfy and built well. Given this, can anyone help me choose one of the three? Thanks!

 

 

post #20 of 244

I'm looking at the same exact 3 iem's and am having a heck of a time choosing. I listen to equal amounts of classical (opera/orchestral/vocal) and rock/alternative with some jazz (Ella, Sinatra, Ellington, etc.).  I don't want to thread-jack but would love to know if anyone can comment as I'd like to not start another thread but I need to make a decision. I do need isolation (plane & home).  

 

Someone mentioned a smaller soundstage for jazz and being a singer, I'd have to agree. 

post #21 of 244

After finding the right earphone then look into getting a better detailed player. look into Hifiman or iBasso Dx100 and you will hear new things from old music.

post #22 of 244

All three earphones are good for those prices.

post #23 of 244

 

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After finding the right earphone then look into getting a better detailed player. look into Hifiman or iBasso Dx100 and you will hear new things from old music.

 

those are great sources, however i found the se535 to be rather transparent, it has more of the transparency in sound listened through lower end sources ipods,zunes,cown,iriver ect

 

i find them more revealing than the westone 3/4 where the westone 3/4 would gain more transparency from a higher grade source. their warmer/veiled sound would tend to be lifted

 

all are great iem's you cant really go wrong.

post #24 of 244

I started with the Shure 530 then 535, then Westone 2 then 3. My now recommendation would be a custom made earphone such as: Future Sonics, Unique melody or JH Audio

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those are great sources, however i found the se535 to be rather transparent, it has more of the transparency in sound listened through lower end sources ipods,zunes,cown,iriver ect

 

i find them more revealing than the westone 3/4 where the westone 3/4 would gain more transparency from a higher grade source. their warmer/veiled sound would tend to be lifted

 

all are great iem's you cant really go wrong.

 

 

post #25 of 244

 

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I started with the Shure 530 then 535, then Westone 2 then 3. My now recommendation would be a custom made earphone such as: Future Sonics, Unique melody or JH Audio

 

 

 

i agree, esp if you are going to drop the cash for a 801 or dx100, i cant say that if you have a universal with such a high end source you are really getting all it has to offer.

post #26 of 244
Thread Starter 

The comments here have been most thoughtful, so thanks! I ordered the Westone 4R's yesterday directly from Westone. They offered a 30 day warranty, less shipping. It really came down to the 4R's vs the SE535's. From the research I've done, the 535's probably had a warmer sound and better mids which is my preference. The negatives for me for the 535's were bad microphonics and a heavy cable. (My Grado 325's had a heavy cable and I hated it!)  The Westone 4R's, while maybe not as mid-forward, are supposedly very detailed and balanced. I loved the detail of my Ety ER4P's, but found them too uncomfortable for marathon listening. In the end, I could have gone either way, but I guess the 30 day return right from Westone is what won the decision. If I am dissatisifed in  any way, they're going back and I'll try again. I don't mind eating the cost of a knock around set of IEM's, but $500 is too much to spend and not be happy! They're going to arrive today - actually in about 35 minutes if the FedEx website is accurate. I'll reply back with some impressions. Thanks to all for the input!

 

b9.

post #27 of 244

 

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The comments here have been most thoughtful, so thanks! I ordered the Westone 4R's yesterday directly from Westone. They offered a 30 day warranty, less shipping. It really came down to the 4R's vs the SE535's. From the research I've done, the 535's probably had a warmer sound and better mids which is my preference. The negatives for me for the 535's were bad microphonics and a heavy cable. (My Grado 325's had a heavy cable and I hated it!)  The Westone 4R's, while maybe not as mid-forward, are supposedly very detailed and balanced. I loved the detail of my Ety ER4P's, but found them too uncomfortable for marathon listening. In the end, I could have gone either way, but I guess the 30 day return right from Westone is what won the decision. If I am dissatisifed in  any way, they're going back and I'll try again. I don't mind eating the cost of a knock around set of IEM's, but $500 is too much to spend and not be happy! They're going to arrive today - actually in about 35 minutes if the FedEx website is accurate. I'll reply back with some impressions. Thanks to all for the input!

 

b9.

 

Well, I was pretty much happy when I bought my Westone 4Rs. If anything, they have too much bass for me. 

post #28 of 244
Thread Starter 

Ok - I just got 'em and I am listening to them now. I've learned over the time I've been involved in head-fi, that reviewing anything the first day or even first week often leads to an infatuation bias. But, having listened to these for about 10 minutes now, I can say - objectively - the following: They are the most comfortable IEM's I've ever worn. The seal is great, yet I don't feel like my ears are being raped. Listening to ALAC through my iPod Touch (3g 64gb) the sound is *very* clear. I can tell that it doesn't have that warmth like the HD650's though. But - in fairness, I always listen to the Senns though my TTVJ amp, which is warm amp. Hmmmm - hang on....

 

:: hooks up TTVJ Slim to LOD ::

 

Ok - going though the TTVJ amp, there is a bit more warmth. But the thing I am mosy happy about, at least at this early point in the game is that these things are soooooooooooooo comfortable. If I wasn't being so "IEM aware", what with these being brand new and all, I could definitely see me forgetting they're even on. Let's see how I feel in a couple of weeks.

post #29 of 244

 

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Originally Posted by FlatNine View Post

Ok - I just got 'em and I am listening to them now. I've learned over the time I've been involved in head-fi, that reviewing anything the first day or even first week often leads to an infatuation bias. But, having listened to these for about 10 minutes now, I can say - objectively - the following: They are the most comfortable IEM's I've ever worn. The seal is great, yet I don't feel like my ears are being raped. Listening to ALAC through my iPod Touch (3g 64gb) the sound is *very* clear. I can tell that it doesn't have that warmth like the HD650's though. But - in fairness, I always listen to the Senns though my TTVJ amp, which is warm amp. Hmmmm - hang on....

 

:: hooks up TTVJ Slim to LOD ::

 

Ok - going though the TTVJ amp, there is a bit more warmth. But the thing I am mosy happy about, at least at this early point in the game is that these things are soooooooooooooo comfortable. If I wasn't being so "IEM aware", what with these being brand new and all, I could definitely see me forgetting they're even on. Let's see how I feel in a couple of weeks.

 

Well, got to agree they are very comfortable, although the stalk is a little to short for me... 

post #30 of 244
Thread Starter 

One more thing - I'm blown away at how good my "beater" DAP sounds with the 4R's. (Sansa ClipZip) For a $60 player, it's crazy! 

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