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post #841 of 2941
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Originally Posted by reddragon View Post

what is the m8 that you guys are talking about? 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/662881/centrance-hifi-m8-incoming-impressions-and-appreciation-thread/15#post_9428047

post #842 of 2941


If the M8 is anything like the DACport LX paired with a very good amp I'd have a hard time believing a DAP would bet it :).

post #843 of 2941
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


If the M8 is anything like the DACport LX paired with a very good amp I'd have a hard time believing a DAP would bet it :).

Considering the M8 is aiming a bit higher towards the level of DACmini....then with the improvements of tone shaping, fully balanced, and i-device UI. Well, I would have to agree that it would be hard for a DAP to beat it. Of course it is a 2 piece solution instead of one (i device and M8) 

 

Yes, this is speculation until it is in customers' hands. It would be interesting to see a comparison of say, AK120, 901 and an M8 running iPod touch UI.

post #844 of 2941
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Originally Posted by thegrobe View Post

Considering the M8 is aiming a bit higher towards the level of DACmini....then with the improvements of tone shaping, fully balanced, and i-device UI. Well, I would have to agree that it would be hard for a DAP to beat it. Of course it is a 2 piece solution instead of one (i device and M8) 

 

Yes, this is speculation until it is in customers' hands. It would be interesting to see a comparison of say, AK120, 901 and an M8 running iPod touch UI.


Well that also depends thegrobe. When the idevice is combined with the M8 is the M8s DAC  being used or the one in the iphone? Then you have to factor in jitter and all that good stuff lol.

post #845 of 2941
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


Well that also depends thegrobe. When the idevice is combined with the M8 is the M8s DAC  being used or the one in the iphone? Then you have to factor in jitter and all that good stuff lol.

Lee, M8 extracts digital from the iPod so the M8 DAC is doing the work. The connection is async so from what I understand that's supposed to be pretty good about jitter but just what I've been told.

 

To keep it on topic ...I'd like to hear the 901 and compare  wink_face.gif

post #846 of 2941

 

 

i have heard of the centrance m8 and even thought about preordering it before though decided against a 2 pieces solution so didnt follow through with the preorder. i just didnt know you guys were talking about the centrance m8 because i thought you guys were only comparing daps. 

post #847 of 2941

Hi everyone,

 

I just listened to the hm901 and the ibasso dx100 for around 2 hours today in a headphone shop in shanghai, A/B-ing both on the same songs, I also listened to the hm901 only last week for around 1 hour. I don't usually post in head-fi, but am an avid reader and head-fi has helped me a lot in picking the right equipment. So, I've decided to share some of my opinions since it might help someone. Please don't treat this as a review, just some opinions, since I don't think I have good enough ears, the right equipment and it was a short listen to advice anyone on headphones. 

 

I have to say, to my ears, the hm901 are pretty headphone picky, the right headphones are needed, I've heard that they pair well with re400/600s. To me, it didn't really pair well with the w4r I had, and just didn't sound quite what I expect for a 1000 player.... I didn't have other headphones with me, so I asked for a He-500 to try it out (since I'm pretty familiar with it), It sounded much better, but  didn't have enough power, it just sounded congested. I had to turn the volume knob up to maximum for classical music on the he-500, so don't think about driving power hungry headphones straight out of your hm901 :) (even though I expected that it will, since it costs 1000usd. I mean, it should do everything).

 

Compared to the dx100, the amp section is def much more powerful in dx100, it could drive the he-500, but a more powerful amp would be much much much much much more better. (There are different amp cards for hm901 though, the one I tested was the normal one). Back to comparing using the w4r, the dx100 was more airy, hm901 sounded warmer to my ears and more emphasize on the lower frequencies (I think). The violin on one of the classical piece also sounded more texturized in hm901. I  heard more layering in hm901, I could separate the different instruments more (by a little bit only when I really try to listen), there was one song I could separate the left and right instruments behind the singer which I couldn't in the dx100. However, I can't really figure out what aspect of it, but I prefer dx100 to the hm901, maybe because its more airy, it just sounded better, I think I need a much much much much much longer listening to really have a better understanding of the 2 players.

 

The built quality for the dx100, IMO, is much better than hm901, it feels much solid, better screen, more sophisticated UI (android), better feel, heavier but felt very durable, felt like a tank. The hm901 feels more plastic, lighter, the UI is very easy to use with not much options, just a really simple to use player. 

 

I believe with the right headphones, it really will make the hm901 sound better than the dx100; and a better amp card will def make it better than dx100, The dac section in 901, I think, is better, can't be sure though since I didn't test it line out (The balance card will cost around 300usd if its the same price in China, making it a 1300 player!). Right now, with my limited experience and headphones I own, which are the ones I know the best about and tested with, I prefer the dx100. It just sounded better, actually to be very honest, by quite a lot.....to my ears (just my opinion, no offense to anyone who bought the player, we all have different taste right). I tried a variety of songs from different genres.

 

Things I learnt today:

-I went to the shop today expecting to preorder a hm901, but decided not to.

-I will have to wait for more impressions from other people, people with much better experience than me. 

-I was expecting a perfect portable player, hm901 wasn't really what I wanted

-I started to appreciate my desktop rig more, it sounds fantastic (wa2+t1+m1dac)

-I like airy sound, airy equipment...

-Always audition before you buy!

 

I'm also quite a newbie, so please take my opinion with a grain of salt and correct me if I'm wrong. Headphones I own include T1, He-500, w4r, w1000x and B&W p3, so I really have limited experience. Also, I asked the shop about hm901 orders, I think hifiman are really having a hard time keeping up demand, even only in China. A new batch came today, and there are about 5 more preorders in the shop waiting. They say they don't know when 901 stock comes, maybe next week, maybe next month, it doesn't come regularly. I called another shop, and they say they have around 20 preorders, and the shop ordered 80 more extra units, so they expect a lot of people buying. I think, it's not that hifiman don't want to reveal the international release date, but they really can't keep up with demand, even only in China. Hope this helps anyone who wants a hm901.


Edited by bowtung - 5/12/13 at 6:51am
post #848 of 2941

Thanks Bowtung for the return. If I ever have time, I will go to this shop and try the 901 to compare to my DAPs. After a few impressions, looks like the 901 could be nice with the right amp card, but is not the end game player everyone is expecting.

post #849 of 2941
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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

Thanks Bowtung for the return. If I ever have time, I will go to this shop and try the 901 to compare to my DAPs. After a few impressions, looks like the 901 could be nice with the right amp card, but is not the end game player everyone is expecting.

 

 

that can be a problem tongue.gif

post #850 of 2941

It's also not helping with iRiver stealing some of the spotlight with the AK120, on top of the delay in launching the HM-901 internationally.

post #851 of 2941

Someone in Taiwan mentioned that balanced amp card with TRRS terminated cable made a huge difference, such combo could literally put you right there in a concert hall with the front-row realism

 

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=180&t=2978163&p=6#43581017

 


 

The build quality (or lack thereof) might be a serious concern for a portable gear costing $999 or more with accessories. Quite a few early adopters already sent the HM-901 back to repair depot after the physical button(s) just fell right off

 

http://www.erji.net/read.php?tid=1461476

 

One of them got something fixed for the second time and then somehow a button just fell off as well. Not exactly sure why but they did not seem to take the quality of production very seriously IMHO.

 


 

Right now they are obviously facing some real competitions from this particular company in Thailand IMHO

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/660027/tokyo-fujiya-avic-spring-may-2013/15#post_9391581

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/630288/the-new-iriver-ak100-a-high-end-dap/4860

 

According to ExpatinJapan, the improvements provided by that $250 mod should be quite significant. Even Currawong commented how nice sounding that was

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/658495/altmann-tera-player-impressions-reviews-discussion/240#post_9431323

 


 

We could already get AK100 + Tenso.com fees + shipping for 500 bucks or so

 

http://kakaku.com/item/K0000426815

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B009O06X44

http://www.mezzohifi.com/product/1060231/AK100-Modification-Service.html

 

Even sweeter deal with FAD Heaven IV

 

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00BJDSTVE

 

Throw that $250 mod into the mix and we should be talking about $750~$800 ballpark after shipping. Add another $100~$110 for two pieces of 64GB micro SDXC cards and then we should have 160GB of storage to boot.

 


 

We certainly hope that HM-901 would not end up with something similar to this product but their constantly delays kept reminding me the fate of Plastic Logic lately

 

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/17/plastic-logic-shutters-us-offices-gets-out-of-e-readers/

post #852 of 2941
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Originally Posted by bowtung View Post

Hi everyone,

 

I just listened to the hm901 and the ibasso dx100 for around 2 hours today in a headphone shop in shanghai, A/B-ing both on the same songs, I also listened to the hm901 only last week for around 1 hour. I don't usually post in head-fi, but am an avid reader and head-fi has helped me a lot in picking the right equipment. So, I've decided to share some of my opinions since it might help someone. Please don't treat this as a review, just some opinions, since I don't think I have good enough ears, the right equipment and it was a short listen to advice anyone on headphones. 

 

I have to say, to my ears, the hm901 are pretty headphone picky, the right headphones are needed, I've heard that they pair well with re400/600s. To me, it didn't really pair well with the w4r I had, and just didn't sound quite what I expect for a 1000 player.... I didn't have other headphones with me, so I asked for a He-500 to try it out (since I'm pretty familiar with it), It sounded much better, but  didn't have enough power, it just sounded congested. I had to turn the volume knob up to maximum for classical music on the he-500, so don't think about driving power hungry headphones straight out of your hm901 :) (even though I expected that it will, since it costs 1000usd. I mean, it should do everything).

 

Compared to the dx100, the amp section is def much more powerful in dx100, it could drive the he-500, but a more powerful amp would be much much much much much more better. (There are different amp cards for hm901 though, the one I tested was the normal one). Back to comparing using the w4r, the dx100 was more airy, hm901 sounded warmer to my ears and more emphasize on the lower frequencies (I think). The violin on one of the classical piece also sounded more texturized in hm901. I  heard more layering in hm901, I could separate the different instruments more (by a little bit only when I really try to listen), there was one song I could separate the left and right instruments behind the singer which I couldn't in the dx100. However, I can't really figure out what aspect of it, but I prefer dx100 to the hm901, maybe because its more airy, it just sounded better, I think I need a much much much much much longer listening to really have a better understanding of the 2 players.

 

The built quality for the dx100, IMO, is much better than hm901, it feels much solid, better screen, more sophisticated UI (android), better feel, heavier but felt very durable, felt like a tank. The hm901 feels more plastic, lighter, the UI is very easy to use with not much options, just a really simple to use player. 

 

I believe with the right headphones, it really will make the hm901 sound better than the dx100; and a better amp card will def make it better than dx100, The dac section in 901, I think, is better, can't be sure though since I didn't test it line out (The balance card will cost around 300usd if its the same price in China, making it a 1300 player!). Right now, with my limited experience and headphones I own, which are the ones I know the best about and tested with, I prefer the dx100. It just sounded better, actually to be very honest, by quite a lot.....to my ears (just my opinion, no offense to anyone who bought the player, we all have different taste right). I tried a variety of songs from different genres.

 

 

 

Very good comparison and very accurate too. Right on the point about headphone picky. It will pair bright headphones much better than dx100 with more weight,  smoothness and musical factor. I was so caught up by its smoothness, but it in terms of transparency and soundstage, it's like 801, still can't keep up with DX100. But it's definitely fuller than dx100 with lots of power, for vocal it's pleasure to listen to. But if you have a neutral headphone/earphone and you want the absolute accurateness, dx100 is still the one to go which is same as my conclusion one months ago, even though I preferred 901 to dx100, now I think I will repeat the statement in my very first comparison post: there is no better for me between dx100 and 901.

My 901 will be leaving me tomorrow. It was a pleasure listening to it for the past 2 months. 

post #853 of 2941

Great work Bowtung. Your impressions are beneficial and definitely food for thought for those who are curious. Hopefully we'll get more comparison reviews like this from others who have experienced the HM-901.

post #854 of 2941

My friend told me that Hifiman has a HM801 trade-in program.   We can trade-in the 801 for the 901.  We just need to pay 250USD.

post #855 of 2941
i believe that ended some time ago with the first Chinese domestic market only sales but I could be wrong!
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