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thx a lot tupac for taking the time to answer us all.

+1

post #692 of 3011
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Thanks Tupac,

I do have the 801 with virtually all the cards produced for this player including the GAME card.  I am very satisfied with how the JH16s sound in this setup and am wondering if investing to replace the 801 with a 901 is worth the trouble and the extra money.
Be aware that all the amp cards for the 801 have medium to high output impedance (10 - 32 Ohm) which affects the frequency response on your JH16. Most likely you will have less bass and more treble from the 801 than from a DAP like 901 or DX100 because they have low output impedance (less than 1 Ohm). Fortunately this also gives you tighter bass. The worst amp regarding output impedance unfortunately is the GAME card (32 Ohm). In other words comparing to that, the 901 will most likely give the JH16 more bass and less treble (at least with the Vintage setting).
Edited by LarsHP - 4/5/13 at 3:35pm
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Be aware that all the amp cards for the 801 have medium to high output impedance (10 - 32 Ohm) which affects the frequency response on your JH16. Most likely you will have less bass and more treble from the 801 than from a DAP like 901 or DX100 because they have low output impedance (less than 1 Ohm). Fortunately this also gives you tighter bass. The worst amp regarding output impedance unfortunately is the GAME card (32 Ohm). In other words comparing to that, the 901 will most likely give the JH16 more bass and less treble (at least with the Vintage setting).
I heard GAME was tuned with a JH Audio IEM, so it should be perfectly good to listen to JH16 with no hiss. And you right, with dx100 and 901, they are way more powerful than a GAME amp's sound, which isn't ideal since JH16 doesn't need much power to sound good. But I suppose with 901's IEM amp card, it should sound good too.


Anyways, JH16 is a flawed ciem IMO no matter how good your source and amp is, the only way I can accept jh16' sound is a serious setting of heavy eqs. 901 deserves better earphones/headphones
Edited by tupac0306 - 4/5/13 at 6:01pm
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thx a lot tupac for taking the time to answer us all.
 

No problem:)

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I heard GAME was tuned with a JH Audio IEM, so it should be perfectly good to listen to JH16 with no hiss. And you right, with dx100 and 901, they are way more powerful than a GAME amp's sound, which isn't ideal since JH16 doesn't need much power to sound good. But I suppose with 901's IEM amp card, it should sound good too.


Anyways, JH16 is a flawed ciem IMO no matter how good your source and amp is, the only way I can accept jh16' sound is a serious setting of heavy eqs. 901 deserves better earphones/headphones

 

 

whats wrong with the jh16? too colored?

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whats wrong with the jh16? too colored?

Yes. Simply put, it's bass heavy, upper mid recessed and lower treble too forward which provides lots of sibilance with a weird tone. So it's not good for listening vocals. Soundstage is compressed without depth leading to misplacements of instruments. Bad treble extension. The fast drop off takes away smoothness, air, ultra detail and transparency making it sound "raw" and "tough". Although it throws instruments right at your face with bright presentation, the resolution isn't the greatest, overall it sounds thin .
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Yes. Simply put, it's bass heavy, upper mid recessed and lower treble too forward which provides lots of sibilance with a weird tone. So it's not good for listening vocals. Soundstage is compressed without depth leading to misplacements of instruments. Bad treble extension. The fast drop off takes away smoothness, air, ultra detail and transparency making it sound "raw" and "tough". Although it throws instruments right at your face with bright presentation, the resolution isn't the greatest, overall it sounds thin .

 

 

 

wow that doesnt sound like something i want. since im probably going to get a ciem in the future, note taken. wink.gif

post #698 of 3011
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Yes. Simply put, it's bass heavy, upper mid recessed and lower treble too forward which provides lots of sibilance with a weird tone. So it's not good for listening vocals. Soundstage is compressed without depth leading to misplacements of instruments. Bad treble extension. The fast drop off takes away smoothness, air, ultra detail and transparency making it sound "raw" and "tough". Although it throws instruments right at your face with bright presentation, the resolution isn't the greatest, overall it sounds thin .

At last! Someone who hears what I heard with these!
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I read this from someone whom I totally agree with their ears on most everything. I have the JH13's and really like them. The 16 are another story. I thought they would really deliver and got someone to get the 16s. They described the same thing and I feel bad that they got them on what I thought would be a great IEM for them.

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JH16 was my first CIEM and I bought them after I auditioned both Jh13 and 16, well mainly because of the fuss. They sounded very similar, but I was too inexperienced to fully notice the subtle difference between them. After I got them, I loved them! Lol well I forced myself to do so since it's my only CIEM. So I think there is definitely people like that out there. Even they are caught off guard initially by how their CIEM sound, they will brain burning in them and build around them in order to say they love them because they have nothing beside them to compare. So when people say jh16 sounds bright and thin, they will jump in and offend because they think jh16 sounds bigger than ibud.

I might be a little critical here because jh16 does do its thing. It only falls short when compared go top class iems/headphones. i am just trying to express how I feel about "hype".
Edited by tupac0306 - 4/6/13 at 3:40am
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JH16 was my first CIEM and I bought them after I auditioned both Jh13 and 16, well mainly because of the fuss. They sounded very similar, but I was too inexperienced to fully notice the subtle difference between them. After I got them, I loved them! Lol well I forced myself to do so since it's my only CIEM. So I think there is definitely people like that out there. Even they are caught off guard initially by how their CIEM sound, they will brain burning in them and build around them in order to say they love them because they have nothing beside them to compare. So when people say jh16 sounds bright and thin, they will jump in and offend because they think jh16 sounds bigger than ibud.

I might be a little critical here because jh16 does do its thing. It only falls short when compared go top class iems/headphones. i am just trying to express how I feel about "hype".

 

Thanks for the insights, tupac. smile.gif

 

This is a topic of great interest for me since am seriously considering the Hifiman HM-901.

Previously was holding both the JH13pro and Heir 8.A at the same time, at the time, i was already with the DX100.

Both JH13pro and Heir 8.A, to me, are truly incredible customs in their own right.

 

However, again to me, the JH13pro was better at presenting the sound coming out from the DX100. Various tracks with very unique tone, atmosphere and presentation were easily identifiable.

Not so much with the Heir 8.A, where its warmer presentation covered the unique tone, atmosphere and presentation of those tracks. Details were there, but didn't work with the DX100.

 

Currently, am in the search for both my next custom in-ear and the HM-901.

From the impression so far, am pretty confident the HM-901 will pair well with the JH13pro.

Just not too sure if HM-901 will play nice with the next customs. Perhaps a slight warmer tone to the JH13pro or more neutral tone than the Heir 8.A.

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Thanks for the insights, tupac. smile.gif

 

This is a topic of great interest for me since am seriously considering the Hifiman HM-901.

Previously was holding both the JH13pro and Heir 8.A at the same time, at the time, i was already with the DX100.

Both JH13pro and Heir 8.A, to me, are truly incredible customs in their own right.

 

However, again to me, the JH13pro was better at presenting the sound coming out from the DX100. Various tracks with very unique tone, atmosphere and presentation were easily identifiable.

Not so much with the Heir 8.A, where its warmer presentation covered the unique tone, atmosphere and presentation of those tracks. Details were there, but didn't work with the DX100.

 

Currently, am in the search for both my next custom in-ear and the HM-901.

From the impression so far, am pretty confident the HM-901 will pair well with the JH13pro.

Just not too sure if HM-901 will play nice with the next customs. Perhaps a slight warmer tone to the JH13pro or more neutral tone than the Heir 8.A.

If you searching your next CIEM, average joe's multiplie CIEMs thread couldn't be better for you. He has a detailed review for every CIEM he has with lots of different source combos.

 

8.a is the only CIEM I sold after I purchased it. The build quality is great, but the sound was a disappointment to me.  So I understand how you prefer JH13 to it since I preferred JH16 to 8.a too. Whatever unique sound signature it has, it's not balanced to my ears at all. The bass is too powerful and decaying very slowly which is obviously not in coherence with the rest of the spectrum. At first I thought it uses dynamic drivers for bass. although it's low mid forwards, it delivers almost no upper midrange before going straight to emphasized treble which is extended but sibilant. The entire spectra combination sounds dry and sharp. And I found 8.a sounds better with dx100 than 801 just simply because dx100 is technically better and more neutral. But with this unnatural sound of 8.a, I doubt any source will help. I am still confused why heir audio choose this as flagship.

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If you searching your next CIEM, average joe's multiplie CIEMs thread couldn't be better for you. He has a detailed review for every CIEM he has with lots of different source combos.

 

8.a is the only CIEM I sold after I purchased it. The build quality is great, but the sound was a disappointment to me.  So I understand how you prefer JH13 to it since I preferred JH16 to 8.a too. Whatever unique sound signature it has, it's not balanced to my ears at all. The bass is too powerful and decaying very slowly which is obviously not in coherence with the rest of the spectrum. At first I thought it uses dynamic drivers for bass. although it's low mid forwards, it delivers almost no upper midrange before going straight to emphasized treble which is extended but sibilant. The entire spectra combination sounds dry and sharp. And I found 8.a sounds better with dx100 than 801 just simply because dx100 is technically better and more neutral. But with this unnatural sound of 8.a, I doubt any source will help. I am still confused why heir audio choose this as flagship.

 

 

tupac do you have any experience with other products from heir audio? 

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tupac do you have any experience with other products from heir audio? 

No. Sorry. I did heard 6.a is a overall more neutral sounding IEM

post #705 of 3011
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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

If you searching your next CIEM, average joe's multiplie CIEMs thread couldn't be better for you. He has a detailed review for every CIEM he has with lots of different source combos.

 

8.a is the only CIEM I sold after I purchased it. The build quality is great, but the sound was a disappointment to me.  So I understand how you prefer JH13 to it since I preferred JH16 to 8.a too. Whatever unique sound signature it has, it's not balanced to my ears at all. The bass is too powerful and decaying very slowly which is obviously not in coherence with the rest of the spectrum. At first I thought it uses dynamic drivers for bass. although it's low mid forwards, it delivers almost no upper midrange before going straight to emphasized treble which is extended but sibilant. The entire spectra combination sounds dry and sharp. And I found 8.a sounds better with dx100 than 801 just simply because dx100 is technically better and more neutral. But with this unnatural sound of 8.a, I doubt any source will help. I am still confused why heir audio choose this as flagship.


Thanks again, tupac. smile.gif

 

Average joe's thread is a big help on determining my next custom. The Heir 8.A with stock cables (not magnus) sounded overly warm and bloated, which i suspected why Heir decided to offer the magnus cable in the package, to reduce the warm overtone. It sounded much better after switching with the TWAG v2 cables.

 

Probably after getting the HM-901 when it's released, will pair with the JH13 to find out which custom will eventually work for me.

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