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post #526 of 2755

Hope the hardware issues are sorted out before the international release.

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Hope the hardware issues are sorted out before the international release.

And I hope I win a billion dollars in the lottery.

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And I hope I win a billion dollars in the lottery.

 

 

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post #529 of 2755
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so you already own it, review and comparison?

 

It will come in time.

 

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Hope the hardware issues are sorted out before the international release.

They have take note of the battery cover, I think. I am not sure that they can do anything about the volume lock since it is part of its design feature. As for the fallout centre button, it seems to be an isolated case for now and they have asked the owner to send it back for a replacement.

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I had one in my hand at Axpona Chicago and listened direct for a few with my JH13 FP. The functionality was fine and intuitive. Without having used a Hifiman before etc. it was easy to navigate and play any file on it. You should wait for the Clieos review but my impression of the sound direct from it's mini jack was one of tremendous detail, smoothness and openness. All ranges were well represented and integrated. Easy to use size and pocketable. It was extremely refined with the HiDef music that was on it. Build was a non issue with layout etc. fine. Volume wheel was a bit stiff but obviously by choice for known reasons.

 

If I was to get critical which isn't fair for such a short listen with their material so take with a grain, I would say it may be refined to a fault. That would be fault used in it's most minor sense. I'd have liked a bit more slam and tangibility. Not that it didn't place things beautifully with space or have dynamics. It did but just a little polite in an extremely informative way and not really a bad thing for IEMs as long as there is focus. There is. Easily the best portable I've heard. I haven't listened to a DX100, RWA100 or Tera so I'm in no position to make proclamations but other than preference of sig, I couldn't see it getting much better, only different.


Edited by goodvibes - 3/11/13 at 6:50am
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So goodvibes, i take it that the best thing you have listened to so far in form of a straight DAP , is the hisound studio v?

Does the thing browse tags properly? Would you buy it and use it as your main player?

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I had one in my hand at Axpona Chicago and listened direct for a few with my JH13 FP. The functionality was fine and intuitive. Without having used a Hifiman before etc. it was easy to navigate and play any file on it. You should wait for the Clieos review but my impression of the sound direct from it's mini jack was one of tremendous detail, smoothness and openness. All ranges were well represented and integrated. Easy to use size and pocketable. It was extremely refined with the HiDef music that was on it. Build was a non issue with layout etc. fine. Volume wheel was a bit stiff but obviously by choice for known reasons.

 

If I was to get critical which isn't fair for such a short listen with their material so take with a grain, I would say it may be refined to a fault. That would be fault used in it's most minor sense. I'd have liked a bit more slam and tangibility. Not that it didn't place things beautifully with space or have dynamics. It did but just a little polite in an extremely informative way and not really a bad thing for IEMs as long as there is focus. There is. Easily the best portable I've heard. I haven't listened to a DX100, RWA100 or Tera so I'm in no position to make proclamations but other than preference of sig, I couldn't see it getting much better, only different.

 

Also note that most of the HM901 out there with the stock AD8397 amp card isn't really at its best yet. While the stock card is already really good sounding, it is the balanced amp card that I think, truly showcase how good HM901 is. As I have mentioned a while ago, HifiMan is going to recall the stock amp card (*with the first batch, not sure about the second batch) back for some modification so it can be better sounding.

post #533 of 2755

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So goodvibes, i take it that the best thing you have listened to so far in form of a straight DAP , is the hisound studio v?

Does the thing browse tags properly? Would you buy it and use it as your main player?

 

 

 

Without plugging my own card in, I can't really comment on tags but I had no problem navigting the variety of formats it contained. As a straight DAP the V 3rd anv is best I've heard until now overall but I quite like the touch/LOD/amp as well. I'm more accustomed to very expensive home gear so my overall assessments of res and openness are not relative to just portable. It was just plain very good in those aspects. Yes, I would consider owning it though I'd like to hear some others first. I only listened for a few minutes with material I hadn't heard on a portable before but the quality and sig was easy to hear. Very informative, resolved and just perhaps, slightly polite.

 

On a side note, I'm considering opening up the V to see if there's a minor tweak available on the output. Looking at it earlier from tightening the board screws, I think there's a coupling cap off the output opamp before a final transistor that's directly connected to the jack. It may actually be class A at the output and without a final cap though I think it unimportant in the grand scheme. Increasing the cap value and/or bypassing with a small value may be interesting. Back to the 901.


Edited by goodvibes - 3/11/13 at 8:41am
post #534 of 2755
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Also note that most of the HM901 out there with the stock AD8397 amp card isn't really at its best yet. While the stock card is already really good sounding, it is the balanced amp card that I think, truly showcase how good HM901 is. As I have mentioned a while ago, HifiMan is going to recall the stock amp card (*with the first batch, not sure about the second batch) back for some modification so it can be better sounding.

I have no idea what was in it but I suspect that you're right. Is my take how you found that card? I've found Sabres a bit on the smooth side as well but not in a bad way. I suspect it's the best all on board or portable limited DAC chip solution available.smile.gif I was impressed.

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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

Also note that most of the HM901 out there with the stock AD8397 amp card isn't really at its best yet. While the stock card is already really good sounding, it is the balanced amp card that I think, truly showcase how good HM901 is. As I have mentioned a while ago, HifiMan is going to recall the stock amp card (*with the first batch, not sure about the second batch) back for some modification so it can be better sounding.
I think the switchable amp is what may be one of the killer points going for the HM-901 over the DX100 and other competing DAPs. With the stock amp it may be very good but not better than the others, but then you can change the amp module which could lift it up to a clear step above the others.

I read DX100 owners saying that they don't think it can get much if any better and then on the other hand saying that when they use a very good portable amp, the sound gets better.

With the HM-901 we might have the same scenario, but as a one box solution with optional onboard amp upgrades instead of external amps.
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Speculation is all well and good (and I don't disagree with your logic), but it's still just speculation at this stage.

 

I'll believe the 901 can beat the DX100 when I actually see/hear it, but not a moment before then.

 

So far, all I've seen is broken promises, aspersions made against the DX100's volume control methodology, repeatedly delayed release dates, broken centre button, expectation for customers to pay $999 (far more expensive than the DX100) and then expected to pay more for a CIEM-specific amp moduleand total ignorance of potential customers waiting to hear more about the product, this past 15 months.

 

That's not a good track record.

 

 

The DX100 can be improved upon with a seperate amp, perhaps, but as an all-in-one, it is superb, and, more to the point, it is fully released onto the market, and was released exactly when iBasso promised it would be. It doesn't fall apart, either.

 

The world is watching and (still) waiting to see if the HM-901 really comes up with the goods. It'd better do, for well over a thousand bucks (if you count the price of the specific amp module).

 

If it does, I'll buy, but I currently still have my sights set on buying another DX100.

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Speculation is all well and good (and I don't disagree with your logic), but it's still just speculation at this stage.

 

I'll believe the 901 can beat the DX100 when I actually see/hear it, but not a moment before then.

 

So far, all I've seen is broken promises, aspersions made against the DX100's volume control methodology, repeatedly delayed release dates, broken centre button, expectation for customers to pay $999 (far more expensive than the DX100) and then expected to pay more for a CIEM-specific amp moduleand total ignorance of potential customers waiting to hear more about the product, this past 15 months.

 

That's not a good track record.

 

 

The DX100 can be improved upon with a seperate amp, perhaps, but as an all-in-one, it is superb, and, more to the point, it is fully released onto the market, and was released exactly when iBasso promised it would be. It doesn't fall apart, either.

 

The world is watching and (still) waiting to see if the HM-901 really comes up with the goods. It'd better do, for well over a thousand bucks (if you count the price of the specific amp module).

 

If it does, I'll buy, but I currently still have my sights set on buying another DX100.

 

 

what happened to the one you have? to be fair, my dx100 stopped working with only 2 months of usage but ibasso agreed to let me ship it back for free warranty (just got their email back about them agreeing). 

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what happened to the one you have? to be fair, my dx100 stopped working with only 2 months of usage but ibasso agreed to let me ship it back for free warranty (just got their email back about them agreeing). 

 

 

Nothing happened to it. I was reluctantly forced to sell it, to free-up some cash, due to being off work, with ill-health:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/619451/ibasso-dx100-one-very-careful-owner-genuine-reason-for-sale

 

I miss it, and I also miss my UM Miracles, which I was also forced to sell.

 

In time, I'll replace them all.

post #539 of 2755
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Speculation is all well and good (and I don't disagree with your logic), but it's still just speculation at this stage.

 

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It is not like iBasso, or any manufacturer never never delay anything or faces engineering issue. Takes FiiO X3 for an example. It should have been released over a year ago, but the problematic SoC supplier forced the whole project to be delayed then canceled. All the R&D went to waste and left a money pit in the company's book . The current X3 is a totally new project but with the same name. It is not like HifiMan or FiiO are intentionally trying to screw over themselves or the customers. Now that FiiO is reluctant to release any info regarding X3 because of opinions similar to yours. Rather than sharing info forehanded, manufacturers are forced to keep things in the dark even from the enthusiasts to avoid harsh criticism.

 

Sometime, I would think leniency and tolerance are just as important as criticism if you want to see a manufacturer grows instead of sink. I took a pretty big risk when I asked Sead @ Sony to share his R&D experience in HF and I was criticized for hyping a product. But in the process, I think Sead has learned quite a great deal about what the user want and hopefully that will contribute to better products in the future. There was a time when the manufacturers and their engineers would come to the forum and discuss various issue and share their thought with us. Now they are all staying away from public forum like we are the plague. Why? Because they know sooner or later a good discussion from yesterday can turn into a PR nightmare tomorrow. So now we talk to PR that carefully avoid any of the 'sensitive' detail instead, if we are actually talking at all.

 

Also, as mentioned many times before in this and other thread, you DON'T need to buy a separate amp card for CIEM. The stock amp card is more than powerful enough and has a 0.5ohm output impedance.


Edited by ClieOS - 3/11/13 at 8:38pm
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We've been here before, ClieOS:

 

12/8/12:

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You seems to be particular sinister / negative about the whole HM901 thing, if you don't mind me point out. I apologize for the chosen word, as 'pessimistic' doesn't seem to quite describe what I read from your responses.

 

Yes, and justifiably so.

 

I am not alone.

 

Since you claim to have read my responses, perhaps you have overlooked the fact that I have also stated, several times, that, in spite of my (justified) misgivings about the way the announcement and release of the 901 has been handled by Fang, I actually would like to see this product succeed, and even now I remain open to potentially purchasing it. But strewth, what an appallingly badly handled and rediculously drawn-out debacle it is proving to be. Aspersions being made towards competitors products and yet nothing to back them up, after almost 4 yrs of R & D.

 

In short, I stand by all my remarks in this thread, both the positive and the negative.

 

 

 

You can be as disgruntled as you wish, with 'opinions similar to [mine]'.

 

I stand by what I said.

 

Two 'wrongs' don't make a 'right' - i.e. just because other vendors have experienced delays doesn't mean that that exhonorates the appallingly badly managed bringing-to-market of the 901. Pointing the finger at Fiio in defence of HM is really unprofessional.

 

If you want to point fingers at anyone for screwing up Public Relations on the 901, then point the finger at the man who announced the 901 many, many, many, many months ago and who has actually cast aspersions at competitors' engineering approaches whilst continually pushing back the release date for his own product (hell, the 901 prototype was reviewed as far back as June last year: http://www.gadgetreview.com/2012/06/hifiman%e2%80%99s-take-on-portable-sound-the-hm-901-portable-audio-player-preview.html).

 

 

I have actually been optimistic about the 901 for a long time, but, like so many other potential customers, I've grown tired and irritated by the drawn-out and poorly managed bringing-to-market of this device.

 

I also note that although you like to present yourself as an ordinary Head-fier, you have repeatedly jumped on anyone who has expressed irritation about the 901 or about HiFiMan/Fang. It is blatantly obvious that you are extremely biased and not at all what you pretend to be, and I am not the first person to say so, either:

 

 

10/31/12:

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Have you ever spent a lot of time with HM801? If you did, then you'll know Fang has a very specific view onto how his DAP should sound like (or house sound, if you like) and it is actually quite different in flavour from the ESS chip's usual style. Don't judge the book by its cover, or in this case a DAP by its youtube video.

 

 

Also, call me crazy, but I had a feeling someone would step up to the defence of the sponsor. I call shenanigans.

 

 

10/31/12:

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I could care less about the bickering. Just can Hifiman truly deliver instead of the hype-train derailing as usual? I value real-world results instead of biased opinions.

 

 

Biased opinions (can it be any other way?) based on history. I hope they get it right as well. I'm just not hopeful based on what they've done in the past.

 

I'd like for this DAP to do as well as it can. Competition is healthy. However, I dislike hype in general and sometimes people deserve criticism for what they've done and said instead of stead-fast defending. I think people should think more of the community instead of the manufacturers profit margin. I know sponsors advertise on this site however open discussion should still be encouraged.

 

 

 

12/6/12:

 

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I respect that you're a big Hifiman homer, and I have nothing against homers in general, but come on. You can't defend marketing an amp with 32 ohm output impedance to be used with IEMs.

 

Yeah, whatever.

 

Don't get cranky. Say what you want about the market when it was introduced, I wasn't around back then so I won't comment on it, but they are still marketing it as such in today's market. They haven't changed anything in their marketing. And it just isn't well designed, if that is indeed its output impedance, for today's IEMs. Try measuring FR on Hifiman's own iems with the game module, and see how it looks.

 

 

Cranky? I haven't got cranky yet, but I am tired of being labelled with such things as 'homer' or 'biased'. It is too easy just to label - since we can do that, what is the point of a discussion anyway? Anyone else who has a question for me, I am happy to answer over PM or email.

 

 

 

 

Also, by your own admission, you've never even heard the 901's closest competitor:

 

 

02/21/13:

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.... I have not heard DX100 or AK100, though the lack of an actual amp section on AK100 leaves me wonder whether it is actually that good sounding.

 

 

 

 

Since you seem, yet again, to feel my opinions about the whole 901 debacle to be 'unjustified', a quick history lesson seems in order:

 

 

7/13/12:

 

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Audiophile grade volume control is important to sound quality. Directly using the digital volume control from the DAC chip default set up, no matter the manufacturer want to call it "step" or not, is a kind of lazy, and will not sound as good.

 

 

 

 

7/13/12:

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I want to repeat here: Audiophile grade volume control is important to sound quality. Directly using the digital volume control from the DAC chip default set up, no matter the manufacturer want to call it "step" or not, is a kind of lazy, and will not sound as good.

 

In addition, I hope to emphasize that ES-9018 has a built in digital volume control with 256 steps.

 

 

 

 

 

8/16/12:

 

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SDXC format support up to 2TB. We have tested 128G SDXC card already. Currently maximum on board single memory chip is 64Gb. Because on board memory is not upgradeable, 64GB on board flash will become useless in about 15 month when 256G SDXC become widely available. Why not save the cost of 64G on board flash and take the expensive hiend grade DAC and op-amp in? Please check the name of this website again: this is head-fi, not ilounge,

 

 

Wow, am I alone in finding the above extremely arrogant and condescending?

 

 

ALL of us are extremely aware that we are discussing a device in the region of a thousand bucks, here. That's precisely the point; We're not stupid or naive and you'd do well to remember and respect that about your potential customers. For that kind of money, I expect:

 

1) at least 32gb on-board memory, simply so that it doesn't become a useless $1,000 brick in the absence of a memory card

 

and

 

2) I don't expect to be patronized by the supplier.

 

 

I really don't think that's too much to ask..

 

 

 

You're not alone.

 

I've packed my DX100 full of music and I rarely have any time to listen to all of it. I have extensive choice and if I feel like spoiling myself I might buy a micro SD card when I have some spare cash in the future.

 

Considering how small a 128gb micro SD card is I don't see how much space it would save to get rid of all onboard memory and how useful that tiny amount of space could be in fitting DAC's, etc. Sounds like BS to me.

 

The HM-901 costs a luxury. When I get it I expect ultimate convenience. I don't want to be faced with further expenses like SD card just to be able to use the damn device. And I expect it to sound top notch for that price, and not screw me over and try to squeeze out more hard earned cash just to reach the potential of the device.

 

Frankly this all sounds like crap to me. Why would you need two 8-channel DAC chips? For a portable player. How will that affect the battery life?

 

Fang, audiophiles want great sound. But it is easily possible to achieve great sound whilst having a very convenient and easy-to-use device. An O2/ODAC combo, for example, costs at the very most $250 and provides an extremely high fidelity signal with inaudible distortion. iBasso has achieved that in a portable player that does a great job of being both useable and convenient. They provided a whole package that you could just pick up and be happy with. They also didn't insult their potential customer's intelligence with arrogant posts. It will only help you if you treat your potential customers with some respect and support your posts with evidence and objective reasoning and stop making unsupported claims like: "Directly using the digital volume control from the DAC chip default set up, no matter the manufacturer want to call it "step" or not, is a kind of lazy, and will not sound as good."

 

In short, some of your comments seem ridiculous (and also rather rude) to me and lack credibility in my eyes. I don't believe your claims but I will watch on with great interest to see what others report.

 

 

 

 

And as far as the stock amp card being suitable for low impedance CIEMs, thankyou for bringing to my attention that the stock module will be low-impedance, but this wasn't always going to be the case, as you know; the specification has been altered from what was originally intended. I'm firly certain that in one of the promotional videos, Fang himself remarked that an after-market module would be available for specifically this purpose. Perhaps it was because of evident disgruntlement from potential customers, making their opinions known on various forums? Certainly, Fang never gave a damn about selling the 801 with a suitable (stock) amp module for CIEMs, until rather late in the 801s lifecycle. For far too long, customers had to fork out a couple of hundred bucks for a GAME amp module.

 

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We‘ve removed resisters from HM-901 amp module and re-adjusted the gain setup to make sure you guys will be happy when it is available in the next a few weeks.

 

Fang

 

 

02/21/13:

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p/s: just saw the announcement that first bugfix will be released soon. Also a free upgrade of the stock amp card for those who already received their HM901.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3/1/12:

 

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...I hope the 802 proves to be a cracking-good machine.

I've already pre-ordered a DX100 and I'm not in the least bit concerned about my choice, but I will be watching the 802 with interest.

The way I see it is that 2 excellent high-end DAPs is better than one, for the head-fi community, and for the marketplace in general.

I always wanted to get myself an 801 but was stopped by the ergonomics and UI, and the insane nonsense of expecting IEM users to fork out an additional 200 bucks just to use it.

If the 802 is what the 801 should've been, I wish it every success.

 

 

 

 

3/3/12:

 

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Well, looking forwards, I feel fairly confident that HiFiMAN will address this issue properly in the stock 802. They'd be fools not to, and let's face it - the DX100 offers 3 gain settings, so if the 802 is to compete, it will likely have at least 2 settings, or if not, it should be geared towards IEM usage, straight out of the box, since it is, after all, a portable player, not a desktop setup.

 

Fingers crossed...

 

 

 

3/21/12:

 

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.... I'm still interested to see what the 802/901 brings to the DAP market. Nothing wrong with taking an interest, is there?

Before the DX100 was announced I very nearly bought an HM801 - I just didn't like the extra cost of a 'GAME' amp module, and I didn't like the poor ergonomics of the 801. Because of this, HM lost my custom.

 

I'm interested to see if the 802/901 solves these issues. If it does, it may be a very good DAP.

 

 

 

 

5/10/12

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very poor communication about this from Fang.

 

doesn't exactly install faith in them

 

 

8/16/12:

 

 

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I own a HM-801, a Balanced Amp Module, HM-601 and HE-500's. The HM-801 sounded pleasing but output impedance, low internal storage, poor battery life and clunky ergonomics/UI disappointed me in the end. Firmware ended up bricking the device 8 months in. HE-500's had a defective driver on arrival and a host of quality control issues but sounded great when functioning normally albeit not as natural or realistic as the LCD-2's. HM-601 had a euphonic sound sig but hiss, UI, onboard storage and general plasticy aesthetics made it overall a disappointing experience. The Balanced Amp Module was the worst: could not detect a single difference between it and stock module (friend had a hm-801 that we could use to a/b it). Couldn't even tell a single difference from between single ended out and balanced output from the Balanced Amp Module.

 

I generally feel kind of ripped off. I have enjoyed the HM-801 and HE-500's sound but the range of other issues were too big to ignore (like the HM-801 bricking itself and the complete waste of money that the Balanced Amp Module was). The lack of integrity and condescension shown by Fang to his customers is what really gets me though.

 

I try to be fair and only say things as I see them. I hope people realise that. I hope that by bringing up these negative points Fang can improve his products and the way he treats his customers and the whole audiophile community can benefit as a result (as well as his business). But first he must respect the community and their opinion.

 

 

8/16/12:

 

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decided to delete my post after reading through the thread, not one to stir up a hornets nest... but if being uncivil & condescending to potential owners is your 'big sell' then count me well out.

 

good customer service is well respected in my book, without it you'll have nothing apart from dwindling customers... just an observation like.

 

 

 

10/5/12:

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It's not aimed at any market until it's actually released, for real to the public.

 

Hifiman have kept us in the dark about this all along. Then Fang started making insinuations about how inferior he considers the technical approach of other products (hint: DX100) to be (e.g in terms of method of volume control) in comparison to the HM 901, but it's very easy to talk about the supposed superiority of a product that is nowhere near release, in comparison to a product that IS in the hands of customers, for real.

 

Frankly, I am thoroughly unimpressed with the whole drawn-out debacle.

 

HM901 is actually very close to be released. Well, at least they already said it will be in another month or so. The delay was caused by a last minute switch of the original scroll-wheel part with another brand. They already showcased fully functional HM901 since late last month in China and actually just has a press event in Taiwan a few days ago where they let people try the player (with the old scroll-wheel) out.

 

 

10/20/12:

 

 

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Looks like the 901 is nowhere in the horizon. Can't even smell it. Head direct customer service also do not want to comment on its availability.mad.gif

I was eagerly waiting for it, even will preorder it if possible. But now tired of waiting. Even if it comes out in Dec, I will just wait and read all the reviews. Will only get it in March next year - that kind of time period.:smily_headphones1.gif

 

It is almost ready, judging for all the demo event hosted in China. It was suppose to be out by now, but they decided to replace some parts due to early feedback on the slightly wobbly scroll wheel mechanism before hitting the market officially.

 

 

10/26/12:

 

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$999.99 Dollar question when is it available for sale?I am getting sick of waiting for it because it has been almost a year of talking about! I know i am going to get criticism for this comment. Toss us a bone and least put the image back up on the head direct site so i can sleep at night knowing that one day i might own a 901.

 

 

10/28/12:

 

 

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Announced yesterday: the issue regarding the scroll wheel has been solved, meaning all prototyping has finished. An initial production run has commenced this weekend with the goal of producing the first batch by mid Nov.

 

 

 

02/25/13:

 

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I had been waiting (im)patiently for this as a replacement for my 801. I definitely would have bought it but got totally fed up in the end and got a DX100. No regrets whatsoever. Wish I'd done it earlier!

 

Same here. Tired of waiting, just received my HDP-R10.

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