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post #61 of 72

I've considered mostly every angle before criticizing Beats.  And ultimately, I still criticize Beats.  However, I will go out on a limb and say that these headphone manufacturers are missing out on a market.  For example, my girlfriend wanted good headphones that I approve of that look cute.  She liked the Beats in pink, but thought they sounded like garbage.  Ultimately we ended up getting her the Panasonic ones (the $30 retro ones).  But would she have paid $200 for good looking headphones that sound good?  Absolutely.

 

Anyway.

 

Have you ever talked to a Beats fan?  For example, my brother, despite all my struggling, owns Skullcrushers and Beats Tours.  (I know, I know).  He thinks the Beats and Skullcrushers sound good.  He's listened to my Sennheisers.  My Grados.  He likes the impact of those headphones, fake or not.  To be fair, Monster knows their target market and they exploit it very well.  There is a massive amount of people who buy Beats because they look good but also because they think they sound superior.  Last night at work, I bought the Sennheiser HD558.  New kid, a teenager, was insisting that the Beats would sound best.  However, I've already introduced him to Logans and B&W speakers, so he trusts my judgment.  He wants to hear the Sennheisers.  But would I be shocked if he liked the Beats better?  No.  Because kids these days like the boomy, electronic impact the Beats have.  They truly think they sound better.

 

However, you'll find the few people who go into a Best Buy looking for Beats to be pleasantly surprised when you audition some B&W M5s or something else of higher quality.  My point being is that I criticize the Beats in the same way I criticize my generation.  My generation is a bunch of people who think it's cool to look like criminals, have the attention span of a five year old, are anti social, and easily distracted by shiny things.  Ever look at a box of Beats or Souls?  No audio information, whatsoever.  Compare that to the Sennheisers which have half the box filled with this.  

 

What's even more infuriating is that they're so cheap, and so plastic.  They are also an annoying fad.  But seriously, the Beats are made of this horribly cheap plastic and pleather cups.  They are just really poorly made.  My Sennheiser 280Pros are plastic, but thick, sturdy plastic and no frills ear pads.  But because Beats (I can't say Monster, because they take audio seriously, they get a lot of unwarranted hate) look flashy, people want them.  It's disgusting.  And because they listen to poorly mastered rap crap, they assume they sound good.  It's so frustrating.  

 

Out of all of my headphones, 5 pairs of them, I've compared them all to Beats.  I was given Studios for a present which I promptly sold.

Sennheiser HD280Pros are SO much better.  They don't have that impact, but the clarity is so crisp and it's beautiful.  Beats people like the impact of the 280s better.

Grado SR60i are immensely better.  They have such a crisper bass response.  I also think they look better than Beats.

Bose OE TriPort are cheaper, sound better but still have that impact, and look better.

Koss KSC75 are so much better, as well.

 

Yet none of my headphones except my new 558s have that flash.

 

Point in case, Beats are a fashion statement that deludes people into thinking they have good sounding headphones.  In 20 years, people will look at a picture of my campus with all the tools wearing Beats and go LOL WTF

post #62 of 72

 

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Originally Posted by ProjectDenz View Post

Two issues I have with the "Beats"

 

1. They claim to be a 'reference' headphone for studios, yet they are very bass heavy. Bass heavy cans are fine but tricking people into thinking everything is about bass is baloney.

 

2. They suck at bass. Yes, plain and simple. The bass quality sucks, has no proper extension or texture.

 

 

You want a bass heavy headphone that's worth $300? Look around, there's heaps of them. Hell you could get something that's 'blingy' in the process.

 

If you want a $20 headphone inside a $300 casing and celebrity endorsement then by all means go for it.

 

I had a friend tell me the Beats produce the best bass response. I told him that my PRO700MK2s are better. He promptly laughed. End of conversation.

 

Good marketing > actual knowledge

 

I guess one is patently qualified to dismiss the quality of competing headphones just because Dr. Dre said so? wink.gif

post #63 of 72

This is exactly the problem with these Beats people.  They don't listen and just assume they know everything.

 

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I had a friend tell me the Beats produce the best bass response. I told him that my PRO700MK2s are better. He promptly laughed. End of conversation.

 

Good marketing > actual knowledge

 

I guess one is patently qualified to dismiss the quality of competing headphones just because Dr. Dre said so? wink.gif

 

 

post #64 of 72
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Originally Posted by Malevolent View Post

 

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Originally Posted by ProjectDenz View Post

Two issues I have with the "Beats"

 

1. They claim to be a 'reference' headphone for studios, yet they are very bass heavy. Bass heavy cans are fine but tricking people into thinking everything is about bass is baloney.

 

2. They suck at bass. Yes, plain and simple. The bass quality sucks, has no proper extension or texture.

 

 

You want a bass heavy headphone that's worth $300? Look around, there's heaps of them. Hell you could get something that's 'blingy' in the process.

 

If you want a $20 headphone inside a $300 casing and celebrity endorsement then by all means go for it.

 

I had a friend tell me the Beats produce the best bass response. I told him that my PRO700MK2s are better. He promptly laughed. End of conversation.

 

Good marketing > actual knowledge

 

I guess one is patently qualified to dismiss the quality of competing headphones just because Dr. Dre said so? wink.gif


Let him try your cans maybe he'll reconsider:)
post #65 of 72

I've owned the beats before; the studios have extremely muddy bass and my M-50 sounds better than the Beats Pro.

 

I'm very happy now with my W1000X, HD800, and my LCD-2 Rev 2.

post #66 of 72

Yep, you said it yourself: Teenagers.

 

(I am a high school math teacher, so I see Beats all day long. I have never asked a student to let me demo his/her Beats, but just going by looks alone they are way too plasticky/cheap-looking for my style.)

 

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Originally Posted by tribestros View Post

To be fair, Monster knows their target market and they exploit it very well.  There is a massive amount of people who buy Beats because they look good but also because they think they sound superior.  Last night at work, I bought the Sennheiser HD558.  New kid, a teenager, was insisting that the Beats would sound best.  However, I've already introduced him to Logans and B&W speakers, so he trusts my judgment.  He wants to hear the Sennheisers.  But would I be shocked if he liked the Beats better?  No.  Because kids these days like the boomy, electronic impact the Beats have.  They truly think they sound better.

 

 

post #67 of 72
How many posters here have used the beats studios on a daily basis? I do, i use them on a the bus, i get home and then use my hd600's, the hd600 is a better can but the studio has its strong points, bass impact is good, its quite a 2 dimensional bass but it gets you in the gut. The mids are slightly recessed but pretty articulate and clear , the treble is just ok but is non fatiguing.

Some people think the k701 sucks or the edition 10, horses for courses.
post #68 of 72

My brother has the Beats Solo, and he listens to nothing but hip-hop.  I tried them, and they were fun.  Like having a couple subwoofers strapped to my ears.  But not something I would want to hear everyday.

post #69 of 72

 

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Originally Posted by astroid View Post

How many posters here have used the beats studios on a daily basis? I do, i use them on a the bus, i get home and then use my hd600's, the hd600 is a better can but the studio has its strong points, bass impact is good, its quite a 2 dimensional bass but it gets you in the gut. The mids are slightly recessed but pretty articulate and clear , the treble is just ok but is non fatiguing.
Some people think the k701 sucks or the edition 10, horses for courses.

 

I used them for two weeks before I got really tired of the sound leaking like no one's business as well as the fake artificial bass and the highs that sound like they were drenched in canola oil.  Oh, and looking like a jag-off wearing the headphones on my head.  I went and bought HD280Pros which isolate sound better, fit better, are more comfortable, and sound better for a 1/3 of the price.

 

If I want bass, I listen to my B&W speakers or go in the car to listen to my Alpine Type R.  Even then, it's REAL bass.

post #70 of 72

 

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Originally Posted by tribestros View Post

This is exactly the problem with these Beats people.  They don't listen and just assume they know everything.

 

 

 

 

You've hit the nail on the head. Beats fans always claim how superior their cans/IEMs are, without having actually tried most (if not all) others. And amazingly, they derived all this information from just marketing speak and peer reviews. In fact, people who have never heard the Beats before tell others that the Beats are good (or the best), and in turn, those who hear from their friends pass on this information. It's like the blind leading the blind here.

 

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Let him try your cans maybe he'll reconsider:)

 

Good idea. I'll be sure to have him enjoy the XB1000. :D

 

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Originally Posted by astroid View Post

How many posters here have used the beats studios on a daily basis? I do, i use them on a the bus, i get home and then use my hd600's, the hd600 is a better can but the studio has its strong points, bass impact is good, its quite a 2 dimensional bass but it gets you in the gut. The mids are slightly recessed but pretty articulate and clear , the treble is just ok but is non fatiguing.
Some people think the k701 sucks or the edition 10, horses for courses.

 

I don't; I've only auditioned them (Studios & Solos) before. They are not bad headphones at all, really. They are just not worth the extra premium Monster are asking for.

post #71 of 72

 

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Originally Posted by Malevolent View Post

 

 

You've hit the nail on the head. Beats fans always claim how superior their cans/IEMs are, without having actually tried most (if not all) others. And amazingly, they derived all this information from just marketing speak and peer reviews. In fact, people who have never heard the Beats before tell others that the Beats are good (or the best), and in turn, those who hear from their friends pass on this information. It's like the blind leading the blind here.

 

 

It's that way with a lot of things: it's "received" knowledge. Rather than thinking something out or experiencing it for yourself, you just accept someone else's pre-concieived opinions as your own.

 

That is exactly how talk radio works. Pretty infantile, really. It's like having someone pre-chew all your food.

post #72 of 72

 

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Originally Posted by tribestros View Post

 

 

I used them for two weeks before I got really tired of the sound leaking like no one's business as well as the fake artificial bass and the highs that sound like they were drenched in canola oil.  Oh, and looking like a jag-off wearing the headphones on my head.  I went and bought HD280Pros which isolate sound better, fit better, are more comfortable, and sound better for a 1/3 of the price.

 

If I want bass, I listen to my B&W speakers or go in the car to listen to my Alpine Type R.  Even then, it's REAL bass.

 

Agreed, If i want just pure kick-in-the-chest bass I go in my car with my 12" alpine type R and turn the bass up. If I want to spend $200+ on headphones, I want to at least be able to hear the music the way it was meant to sound, and not distorted because it can only produce intense bass and nothing else. It isn't like a car where you can just turn the subwoofer power up and down because it is a separate speaker.

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