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post #1951 of 2070

I really envy the people who believe all DAC's sound the same. They will save so much money by not craving for DAC upgrades.

post #1952 of 2070
It's not something to envy. It's better to want better
As there is better to have. In the end don't spend
What you do not have in this hobby.
But do spend and learn to enjoy growing in this hobby.
I have always lived my life buying newer
As it becomes available but also savored
What I had at the time as well.
Life has a limited time on this plane so how many
New cars you will have is already planned out
We plan and our gods laugh.

Al
post #1953 of 2070
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Ok so here is something for you to understand

All dacs sound the same is just statments said
By people who are trolling.
First off are you saying and really beleave that a 200 ODAC
sounds like a 3000 pwd mkii. Really
It is a matter of resutions in your system.
Example. Ever wonder why all music sounds the same in your car
Or radio in your home. It has a limited resolution
So if the headphones and amp are also limited
So is what you hear.
And speakers have far more resolution then headphones
So if you want to hear the difference from a cheap DAC
To better one you need a system that can reveal
It. Anyway I just tried to help so keep spreading wrongful info
To further confuse people who come here to learn
Al
post #1954 of 2070
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Ok so here is something for you to understand

All dacs sound the same is just statments said
By people who are trolling.
First off are you saying and really beleave that a 200 ODAC
sounds like a 3000 pwd mkii.
Al

I think we are all entitled to have our opinions, in a forum more than in other environments. That said, I also think that if you want to spend a few minutes reading the link posted before, we could have a maybe nice conversation about our common hobby instead of using these harsh terms.

post #1955 of 2070
Trolling? More like trying to save people money. I'm trying to help people understand that they do not need to spend a ridiculous amount of money to enjoy music on their headphones. If you can come to the table with some actual proof that these expensive dacs somehow improve the listening experience then please do so. If you can't then don't recommend more expensive dacs .
post #1956 of 2070
I understand your point but totally disagree
And I do not sell equipment and I am not recommending
A 40 K MSB DAC Either. There really is nothing to discuss
I have started at the bottom where you are now
And I wanted to hear more of what there is to hear.
Me spending more money than you has brought me there
Now how much or how much better there is to be heard
That is the debate you may have with yourself
Good by
Al
post #1957 of 2070
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

I understand your point but totally disagree
And I do not sell equipment and I am not recommending
A 40 K MSB DAC Either. There really is nothing to discuss
I have started at the bottom where you are now
And I wanted to hear more of what there is to hear.
Me spending more money than you has brought me there
Now how much or how much better there is to be heard
That is the debate you may have with yourself
Good by
Al

 

When did product cost become both a technical spec and a guarantee of improved performance over less expensive gear?

 

Not suggesting that we should all buy the least expensive solution (I certainly won't claim to have done so, this is a hobby and buying toys is fun!), but making a universal statement based on what you believe you've heard isn't going to move this topic forward.

 

The discussion should really be focused on posting information that helps people make informed decisions - once they have the information, how individuals choose to parse, use, or accept it is up to that individual and their goals.

post #1958 of 2070
Yes it should be but you trollers seem to hop back and forth
From spend more to get more or spend less an get more
Not all devices are made the same. So spending more unwisely
Is wrong. But then that makes my argument
Al
post #1959 of 2070
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Yes it should be but you trollers seem to hop back and forth
From spend more to get more or spend less an get more
Not all devices are made the same. So spending more unwisely
Is wrong. But then that makes my argument
Al

 

I don't see how that makes your argument.  Although I do admit I sometimes have a very hard time following your posts.

 

What I said was in no way contradictory.  While I understand the reality of what does and doesn't impact AUDIBLE performance, it doesn't preclude me from buying something with features, looks, or just a name because I want to try it.  I just understand what that investment will buy me, be it additional performance or the personal satisfaction of owning something I want, and what it won't (unreasonable and unsupportable gains without supporting objective evidence).

 

So buy whatever you want - just don't make performance claims using price tag as your sole supporting evidence and expect me to be on board based on your experience.

 

As to calling me a troll over the post you referenced, I believe that says far more about you than I.

post #1960 of 2070
I own the HDVD800 . I can comment on it . I'm not a troll. Please stop calling me that . I am honest though in saying I wouldn't recommend it for sq alone because you can get transparent sound reproduction like it gives for much less. I brought it because I knew it would sound the same as my reference (O2) but had optical input, 4 headphone jacks and it looks really nice on my desk. I actually thought ( based on my understanding of amp design ) the slightly high output impedance would take the edge of the highs on the Hd800s by adding a touch of body through the impedance curve (mid bass -lower midrange) but to my ears the damping factor is still big enough to not have an audible effect. I even admit that knowing this my subjective opinion in the amp was that it did indeed sound slightly warmer. We are all subject to expectation bias. It was only when I spent along time A/Bing that I found this wasn't the case .
post #1961 of 2070

Hi, guys, I think headfi means different things to different people.

So we should not project our views onto others.

 

I think a lot of people will be happy with what they have owned.

Some of them might think people have over $3000 system have already lose their mind.

Some of them might think HD650 sounds much better than HD800.

 

It is all normal. Some people are much more sensitive to details compare to others.

 

What we have to do is to train our ears to look for changes so we know what is missing and where is our money gone to.

 

You should try this :

 

https://www.goldenears.philips.com/en/introduction.html

 

If you cannot even pass the basic, and you do not intend to go any further on the training. I think you will be happy with most of the sound system on the market already. It is just a lifestyle you are choosing, which will be perfectly fine as a person, but completely wrong as a headfier~~

 

Just saying.

post #1962 of 2070
I enjoyed that golden ears challenge. I personally found mp3 artefact section tough at 128kps. It took 4 attempts. The only other bit I needed to train myself for was the eq cut/ gain section in the golden ears section at the end. That was tough!!! It is a very good exercise. I think anyone can pass most of it in one go but some aspects do need a bit of training for some I'm sure.
post #1963 of 2070

Well, if you are willing to train your self, you are aiming for hifi sound for sure.

The thing is, they are many people that do not even border to give it a try.

Hence, for those people, a budget sub $500 dollar system will serve the purpose.

 

We do not even need to go to the DAC discussion. I think the most high end system they are aiming at using some sort of HDMI interface~~~

post #1964 of 2070

Can someone who has heard both the Conductor and HDVD800 (SE out) comment on how they perform with HD800? Thanks.

post #1965 of 2070

Well, I'm a bit late to the party, but having read the whole thread(!) apart from a few pages at the beginning which were just speculative, I've decided to purchase the HDVD800 and HD800.

 

First, I'd like to thank some of the main contributors to the thread whose very interesting and informative posts have helped me make the decision, especially Frank I, wisemanja (Jeff) and R Giskard, but also the many others who have shared their experiences and opinions.

 

I'm a musician by profession and have had a life long passion for Hi-Fi. I have other good headfi - HD650, HD600, Sony 7520 and a few others, Fostex HP-P1 and Lehmann BCL amps, but this will be my first, and probably last(!) 'reference' hp (although of course that term used to be applied to the 600 and 650!). Main system includes Marantz CD12 DA12, Roksan Xerses, Nakamichi Dragon, and Panasonic SV3800 (professional DAT), followed by Mark Levison 38 pre-amp and ATC100ASL speakers. However, the intended use for the HDVD800 is as a desktop DAC/amp for my Mac which contains a very large library of lossless music in iTunes.

 

I managed to get a very good price on the amp(€1500) because it has been opened in the shop for the shop owners to listen to. They say it's been used for no more than about 2 hours and is in as new condition, so that's a very good deal as the normal price here is €1876. The price for the HDVA600 id €1449, so the way I see it is that I've got the DAC for next to nothing. I suspect that I'll be more than satisfied, for a good while at least, with the internal DAC, but it means that if I decide to upgrade in the future I will not feel that I've lost anything.

 

Despite the benefits of balanced operation (I know from experience how beneficial it is - my CD chain is fully balanced from CD player to pre-amp to speakers), I've decided not to go for the balanced cable yet. I'm sure that the HDVD800/HD800 will sound comfortably better than my current hp setup with the SE output, and then when I have the system fully 'run in' and I'm used to the sound, I can enjoy the upgrade to the balanced output.

 

I thought I'd just share something from Sennheiser. There's been some discussion about Sennheiser's marketing and product information, but consider this; I have a Sennheiser product brochure from '97, I think from soon after time that I bought my HD 580 Precision's. The HD 600 Avantgarde was listed as 'new' in the brochure but the top of the range was the Orpheus and the HE 60 / HEV 70. Here's what it says about the Orpheus:-

 

'We understand that the serious hi-fi enthusiast has a highly developed appreciation for music, and cherishes even the finest nuances. The sound has to be perfect from the very first note. The enthusiast will not compromise when it comes to sound quality and wants to enjoy music which sounds as natural as possible.

These headphones are unrivalled - true miracles of sound engineering take you on a musical journey of discovery, featuring high fidelity dynamic sound quality and tremendous comfort.'

 

About the HE 60 / HEV 70 it says:-

 

'Descended from the Orpheus, everything you need for a breathtaking musical adventure.This headphone system is a first-class combination of the electrostatic HE 60 and our class-A amplifier HEV 70 - the sound is fast and detailed with a wide frequency response. The wealth of sound will make you reluctant to take them off, just sit back and enjoy the music.'

 

All very flowery with little or no real information about the product. Then at the back of the brochure there is a double page of technical data. The FR, impedance, sensitivity (which they call Characteristic SPL), THD, and weight are listed for every headphone, as well as information about the type and length of the cable. Also listed is the basic technical data for the Radio Frequency Systems, the Infra-red Systems, and the Lucas (Dolby surround sound).

 

Technical information about the amps is nonexistent!! Personally, I don't think Sennheiser has changed much!


Edited by Mike F - 3/2/14 at 5:08am
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