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post #1861 of 2869
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Originally Posted by Speedy Pedro View Post
 

 

If you in the market for an amp at Sennheiser's price point, I would suggest you give the Auralic a try. And if you are thinking about stretching your budget for the HDVA 600, it might be worth looking around to cheaper options. I have the Graham Solo Ultralinear and it is fab at the price (not a real looker though, but I guess the money goes on the music performance).

Reasons I will never consider Graham Slee at any price.

 

I think you just need to accept the fact that people may not have the same taste or preference as you...

post #1862 of 2869
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Exactly. With all the people who like the HDVD800 with the HD800, I think Speedy Pedro is simply stating a personal preference rather than identfying one amp as "superior" to the other.
post #1863 of 2869
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

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Exactly. With all the people who like the HDVD800 with the HD800, I think Speedy Pedro is simply stating a personal preference rather than identfying one amp as "superior" to the other.

Not really. I encourage you to have a listen to both of them back to back. The HDVA 600 (not the HDVD 800, did not listen to it) had a muddier sound, less detailed sound and certainly did not trade this for better tone, timbre etc.


Edited by Speedy Pedro - 1/31/14 at 2:33pm
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One persons "less detailed mud" is anothers "smooth liquid lushness."
post #1865 of 2869
Speedy Pedro we get it. Move on.
post #1866 of 2869
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

One persons "less detailed mud" is anothers "smooth liquid lushness."

This can certainly be true in some cases. But I would not classify the HDVA as smooth lushness either. This is not the Luxman sound that we are talking about. 

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Originally Posted by Speedy Pedro View Post

This can certainly be true in some cases. But I would not classify the HDVA as smooth lushness either. This is not the Luxman sound that we are talking about. 
Just a reminder of a post you made not long back.
First of all, I would like to add my voice to those thanking GSARider and the kind sponsors for the event.

The following were my key take-away impressions:


(1) Demoed my Graham Slee Solo Ultralinear vs new Sennheiser amps with HD 800s. The new Sennheiser amps do sound very good with the HD800. However, I was struck by just how close the Graham Slee that I brought sounded at about half the price. The Graham Slee are no lookers unfortunately (especially with the gorgeous Sennheisers), but they sure are amazing. I have put my planned purchase of the Sennheiser amp on hold pending further investigation.

(2) In contrast, I was completely floored by just how MUCH better the HD 800 sounded with new Sennheiser £250 balanced cable than running single-ened with stock cable. More proof that balanced is THE WAY to go with the HD 800. My poor Graham Slee does not do balanced. Hi-fi is not fair. The cable starts shipping in June.

(3) I was able to borrow a fellow head-fier's SPL Auditor and a Audiolab M-DAC and was blown away with the sound on my HD 800. It is no wonder that the SPLs have such a good reputation as a good match for the HD 800. At about GBP 500-550 the Auditors are a another great bargain.

(4) I was quite impressed with the IFI audio equipment. For £ 675, one can get a iDAC, iCAN and iUSBPower Supply and they added together to a very good sound with the HD 800 and with a small footprint if stacked vertically. It is amazing the quality that money can now buy. We are all very lucky.

(5) Enjoyed playing with a Chinese-made Tube Amp BL 2 on Swimsonny's interesting table with my Denon AH-D5000 headphone . It is supposed to be portable but it runs too hot. But the sound was very good (stereotypically tubey sound when compared to my JustAudio portable) and quite enjoyable. Might be one to buy for the office.

And, yes the Stax table was wonderful. Real audio porn for perverts like ourselves.





Pedro
post #1868 of 2869
Balanced cables make a big difference do they? Now I know you just talk utter rubbish.
post #1869 of 2869

Hi,

 

I've seen here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/701917/tokyo-headphone-festival-presented-by-fujiya-avic-october-26-27-2013-pictorial

that the hdvd is displayed with a lot of hd650, now question is, any of you has tried these together, or with the hd600? Do you think it's a good ("cheap") alternative to the hd800? Otherwise, what other headphones do you suggest?

 

Thanks


Edited by thomascrown - 2/1/14 at 7:10am
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Balanced cables make a big difference do they? Now I know you just talk utter rubbish.

Unlike you, of course.

 

They did sound quite better with the balanced cables and the amp running on balanced. And I was not the only one to noticed the difference at the Head-fi meet.

 

And that is why I bought them. How much of that is just because you are getting more power can be debated. I would not be surprised if that is the reason, although I did try to raise the volume when I played single-ended, but it is not always easy to match them. Basically - it sounded better, and I can afford it. So I just bought it.

 

For the record I do believe that cables can make a difference in hi-fi and I have invested accordingly. But this is not a debate about cables.

 

The key point from my observations is that Sennheiser HDVA 600 sounded fine on first impressions but did not seem to be that great and merited a delay in my buying decision. Subsequent experiences confirmed my caution and furthermore, it was actually worse than I initially thought. 

 

The Sennheiser HDVA 600 is nowhere near the transparent amp that you believe. I am glad I kept my search for an amp for my HD 800 in UK and elsewhere. And I would encourage people to look at other amps besides HDVA 600. It has the name and the looks but does not do the HD 800 justice in my view.

 

No need to get upset, James. Somebody simply has found what he thinks is a better product than your cherished Sennheiser. Get over it.


Edited by Speedy Pedro - 2/1/14 at 9:14am
post #1871 of 2869
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Originally Posted by Speedy Pedro View Post

Unlike you, of course.

They did sound quite better with the balanced cables and the amp running on balanced. And I was not the only one to noticed the difference at the Head-fi meet.

And that is why I bought them. How much of that is just because you are getting more power can be debated. I would not be surprised if that is the reason, although I did try to raise the volume when I played single-ended, but it is not always easy to match them. Basically - it sounded better, and I can afford it. So I just bought it.

For the record I do believe that cables can make a difference in hi-fi and I have invested accordingly. But this is not a debate about cables.

The key point from my observations is that Sennheiser HDVA 600 sounded fine on first impressions but did not seem to be that great and merited a delay in my buying decision. Subsequent experiences confirmed my caution and furthermore, it was actually worse than I initially thought. 

The Sennheiser HDVA 600 is nowhere near the transparent amp that you believe. I am glad I kept my search for an amp for my HD 800 in UK and elsewhere. And I would encourage people to look at other amps besides HDVA 600. It has the name and the looks but does not do the HD 800 justice in my view.

No need to get upset, James. Somebody simply has found what he thinks is a better product than your cherished Sennheiser. Get over it.

It's not cherished. It sounds like every other solid state amp. I like it because it looks nice but it sounds the same as my O2 and Just like that Taurus one you keep banging on about. They sound the same. You keep making big statements about how different they sound . The fact that you think cables sound different says it all.
post #1872 of 2869

Sorry of the wrong type of question but out of curiosity has any of you tried the HD800 out of a good OTL amp?

post #1873 of 2869
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post


It's not cherished. It sounds like every other solid state amp. I like it because it looks nice but it sounds the same as my O2 and Just like that Taurus one you keep banging on about. They sound the same. You keep making big statements about how different they sound . The fact that you think cables sound different says it all.

 

All solid state amps sound the same? Errr......yes, James you keep believing that.  

 

it is a good thing that I have this amazing gift whereby not all DACs and solid state amps sound the same to my ears. This allows me to have a lot of fun in this hobby.

post #1874 of 2869
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Originally Posted by Speedy Pedro View Post

All solid state amps sound the same? Errr......yes, James you keep believing that.  

it is a good thing that I have this amazing gift whereby not all DACs and solid state amps sound the same to my ears. This allows me to have a lot of fun in this hobby.
It's your money, enjoy.
post #1875 of 2869
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Originally Posted by rosgr63 View Post
 

Sorry of the wrong type of question but out of curiosity has any of you tried the HD800 out of a good OTL amp?

 

Yes. I have a Decware CSP3. The HD800 out of it is wonderful. The stock input tube and rectifier I would recommend upgrading as well, just a bit too warm for my tastes with the 6N1P in the front. The CSP3 feeding the Taboo mk3 is a step up the ladder, the pair together is amazing. But the CSP alone is really very good. 

 

Also - All this headbutting about single ended vs. balanced cables is a bit ridiculous. Of course the cable itself won't make much if any difference. But if your amplifier topology is different balanced or single ended, it will most certainly sound different. And you need the balanced cable to hear the balanced output. And vise versa. Often, an amplifier that offer a balanced output and SE out, the balanced out will provide much more power, and usually increasing all the sonic benefits of such. As one factor. 

 

For example, my Taboo is a modified speaker amp, balanced is it's main output (full sound quality). The single ended output in a "workaround" which involves one of the ground channels being dropped and an analog crossfeed to be applied. It's a bit of a "crutch" but works. There is absolutely a MAJOR difference in sound quality between the SE and balanced outs. Cable has nothing t do with it other than how you plug your phones in. The CSP 3 is SE only. Wonderful amplifier. 

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