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post #1426 of 2415

Point taken! But not really, no. You'd be responsible towards your investor because they don't want to spend a cent more than they have to. They certainly wouldn't have understanding for any overengineering as a result of your uncertainty. Welcome to my world! :)

post #1427 of 2415
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

Can we at least agree that said bridge could be over engineered?

I dunno. "Over engineering" can be a form of higher quality. If the bridge was spec'ed to survive a 100 year flood but it was "over engineered" to survive a 1000 year flood, inevitably the 1000 year flood will occur 10 years after the bridge is complete.

 

The person driving over the bridge isn't going to notice very much of a difference until a 5000 year flood occurs

 

If I can afford it, I prefer over-engineered products biggrin.gif


Edited by wisemanja - 8/23/13 at 10:16am
post #1428 of 2415

i agree, but i believe that something like the HDVD800 is already an over engineered product. using the current analogy i would say its a 2000 year bridge that can withstand earthquakes that have never been recorded on earth. my point is a bridge could probably be made to last 5000 years on the surface of the sun.......but........ you see where im coming from. 

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post #1430 of 2415
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

i agree, but i believe that something like the HDVD800 is already an over engineered product. using the current analogy i would say its a 2000 year bridge that can withstand earthquakes that have never been recorded on earth. my point is a bridge could probably be made to last 5000 years on the surface of the sun.......but........ you see where im coming from. 

Again, remember that the "over" or "under" engineered concept is relative based on some particular standard. The question is "Who's standard?" 

 

If I understand you correctly, your requirements for a headphone amp do not demand the type of construction used in the HDVD800. That's ok, you can get away with less expensive gear. On the other hand, I purchased the HDVD800 because it was engineered to the standard that I wanted as far as it's capability to handle various subtle nuances in the music so it is not over engineered to me at all. Unfortunately, the DAC section was UNDER engineered and cripples the unit a bit. I can put a better quality external DAC feeding the HDVD800 and hear even better the detail that I want in my listening sessions than the built in DAC can produce.

 

Can you hear the difference between a Stradivarius and a $1000 violin? I can. I've been listening to stringed instruments for many years and when combined with a skilled soloist, the Strat is very wonderful and sweet, emotional sound. But if you feed recordings of it and other types of violin through some DACs, it's hard to tell the difference because the DAC masks many of the very subtle nuances in the sound. If a DAC can properly distill all of those nuances and subtle ambiances for me, it has met my requirements. Unfortunately I've discovered that such DACs are quite expensive. The amp in the HDVD800 is capable of accomplishing this (i.e., the level of detail that I desire), but the DAC in the unit is only marginally capable of it.

 

So to say that the HDVD800 is over-engineered just doesn't register to me because it's DAC section alone is not giving me all that I wanted. The level of engineering in the DAC section is not as acceptable as that in the amp section are to me.

 

And if I go to a much less expensive all-in-one headphone unit, I lose a great deal of what I am enjoying in the sound of the HDVD800 that I have now.

 

Yep. Unfortunately, my absolute very picky love of quality music tends to exceed my pocketbook on most occasions. I had a friend who had a $50K system that he had evolved over the years. He would let me come over to just listen to it with my music on occasion. Yea, that was nice... redface.gif

post #1431 of 2415
I'm glad I'm a skeptic . 50 grand! Ouch. I bet it sounds amazing but does it sound more amazing than the 20 grand equivalent?! I know one thing for certain he would never admit otherwise.
post #1432 of 2415

can't wait for my cable, customcables shipped it out today ^^

post #1433 of 2415

People, I'm not trying to teach engineering here, please stay on topic! :)

 

I don't feel like the HDVD800 is overengineered. I think it's a good amplifier but lightly overpriced. 

 

By the way, no structure is build to withstand something that has never been recorded. 

 

What you are really wondering is when is a product engineered well enough to make any additional improvement unnecessary, right? Well, I wouldn't worry. You are still away from that mark with the HDVD800 even though I must say it sounds very good. 

post #1434 of 2415
Way off the mark? Really . Really really ?! I'm glad I have tin ears because you will never be satisfied with those finely tuned ears you have . Anyhow back to topic before the thread gets locked!
post #1435 of 2415
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Originally Posted by R Giskard View Post

Really? Where from did you draw that conclusion? Didn't I say that HDVD800 is a capable piece of hardware?

You weren't asked if the HDVD800 was a capable piece of hardware. You were asked:
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Can you give me some examples of how these super dacs translate 1 and 0s into electrical signals better. Using the HDVD dac as a comparison. I'm interested now in all the extra engineering that makes them better. I am clearly misguided and I need educating.


Instead of answering his question, you just blew him off in a rather demeaning fashion.

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I see there's no real interest for learning on this thread. 

I see an interest in learning, as witnessed by the question that was put to you. What I don't see is any enlightenment coming from you.

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post #1436 of 2415
As I Read this thread it is clear there are two camps, beleave rs and non beleavers. Stop and discuss topics not opinions here. When I have time I will compare the dacs I have driving the hdvd800 amp only and give some details. Haters stop complaining and I dought anyone here but just a few have heard a 50 DAC anyway. Big deal to hear it and not own it in your home what does this really matter. There is no reference to what you own anyway and when listing even if its your music it's not your system or room . When I post the DAC listening it will be on speakers I own and know the sound.
post #1437 of 2415

If you didn't notice any sarcasm in his question Steve, that is not my problem. The comment about lack of interest in learning was directed to you, not him.

 

By the way, I didn't say very far away from the mark, just away from it. How much depends on your evaluation as it is your amplifier, not mine. I thought the HDVD800 wasn't worth the extra 400 Euro so I got the HDVA600. I don't like integrated solutions anyway. 

 

Cheers!

post #1438 of 2415
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

I'm glad I'm a skeptic . 50 grand! Ouch. I bet it sounds amazing but does it sound more amazing than the 20 grand equivalent?! I know one thing for certain he would never admit otherwise.

He actually HAD the $15K equivalent smile.gif Actually, like most audiophiles in the hobby, he only spent about 1/3 of it by carefully trading and buying good used equipment, he was able to evolve his system into a synergistic wonder that just worked very very well. It was very revealing though and in the days when I was experimenting with custom cable creation, I would take them over to compare on his system since it was so easy to hear the differences there. Many of those differences were subtle enough that I just could not hear them on my own system.

post #1439 of 2415

Always level matched within 0.1 dB of course... wink_face.gif

post #1440 of 2415

I was trying to get the IE800.

Anyone got the IE800 mod for balance on HDVD800?

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