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post #3136 of 5926
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Originally Posted by skerry2006aj View Post
 
comparing them to ie8, i thought that ie800 had better separation, which felt kind of better than having a bigger soundstage with a smaller separation.

 

Oh yes, indeed. I perceive the IE 800's soundstage as being wider than the IE 80's but with less depht. The IE 800 however has got the sharper instrument separation making the soundstage more precise.

I would describe the IE 800's soundstage as sitting in the first row of a concert hall whereas the IE 800 is more like standing on the stage of that concert hall.

 

As someone stated one page before, the IE 80's bass way more prominent in the mid- and upper bass and getting quieter towards subbass (with the screw being turned fully to the left). when turning the screw fully to the right, you get more subbass (level will match the midbass) and also more midbass, accompanied by a raising lack of precision and speed of the (anyhow slow, soft and bloated) lewer frequencies.

Honestly, I can't listen to the IE 80 with any material that has got a high amount of bass or is being played fast.

 

The IE 800, while still having a prominent bass, moves the emphasis way more to the subbass area with also an emphasis of the midbass and highs which are smooth despite the emphasis (this is due to the two Helmholtz resonators smoothing out the peaks in the highs).

 

Speed and texture is very good and the lows hit surprisingly fast for a dynamic transducer.

 

Imo the IE 800 is no successor of the IE 80 as it has got a different tonality, different technial goodies (bass adjustment screw vs Helmholtz resonators smoothing the highs), is on a much higher technical level, has got another diaphragm diameter and is priced much higher.


Edited by HiFiChris - 3/16/15 at 2:00am
post #3137 of 5926
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Originally Posted by lesale08 View Post

If I am using x1 as my primary source, what would be a good amp to partner it with to improve the ie800 experience?

What's your budget? On the move or for home use?

post #3138 of 5926
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Originally Posted by Pedro83 View Post
 

What's your budget? On the move or for home use?

 

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Originally Posted by lesale08 View Post

If I am using x1 as my primary source, what would be a good amp to partner it with to improve the ie800 experience?


Either way , iFi iDSD Micro + IE800 .

Absolute Pairing . No arguments . 

It is so good , it is almost like they were made for each other . 

post #3139 of 5926
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Originally Posted by Pedro83 View Post

What's your budget? On the move or for home use?
For the budget I am only limited $100 if there is one available. Not yet in the fence of being willing to spend much on an amp.
post #3140 of 5926
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Originally Posted by potatoe94 View Post
 

 


Either way , iFi iDSD Micro + IE800 .

Absolute Pairing . No arguments . 

It is so good , it is almost like they were made for each other . 

I agree, I have the IE800, a friend that owned the IDSD Micro, a great piece of kit indeed. 

 

I mentioned the word owned on purpose as he made the "mistake" of listening to the Astell & Kern range, I briefly heard both (iFi) and the AK100 or 120, mk2 I think. Although upon second thoughts I don't think the A&K he bought is that much more in price to the iFi.

 

Now, these could not have been any different, but the A&K was very much to my liking, but, I think if i owned it, there's a possibility of finding it too smooth. It had all the detail, vocals a little more realism to them, IMO, but just sounded so analogue, I simply wasn't expecting this at all. It blew me away I was unable to think beyond the smoothness. Probably, the most analogue sounding digital source I have ever heard. Note I have heard naims flagship 500 series. 

 

I am not at all suggesting sell and buy an Astell & Kern, as given what you say, I don't think it would be to your liking. 

 

I push my IE800 with a Meridian Explorer 2 and the AK240. both work extremely well, and again are different. the 240 is not quite as smooth as the lower model I heard. I love, and could live with either pairing. Note I run the E2 with a 5v linear power supply which makes a tremendous difference.  

 

I am not telling you the A&K 100/120 is better, as for me it is purely subjective given the differences I briefly heard. He had in the inferior Nano iDSD at hand, that was blown out of the water completely in all aspects. 

post #3141 of 5926
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Originally Posted by lesale08 View Post


For the budget I am only limited $100 if there is one available. Not yet in the fence of being willing to spend much on an amp.

try to make your budget until the amp that is best for iems and king of budget, fiio e12a. works like a charm, and it is not that expensive. i would really suggest you to try it.

post #3142 of 5926
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Originally Posted by Pedro83 View Post
 

I agree, I have the IE800, a friend that owned the IDSD Micro, a great piece of kit indeed. 

 

I mentioned the word owned on purpose as he made the "mistake" of listening to the Astell & Kern range, I briefly heard both (iFi) and the AK100 or 120, mk2 I think. Although upon second thoughts I don't think the A&K he bought is that much more in price to the iFi.

 

Now, these could not have been any different, but the A&K was very much to my liking, but, I think if i owned it, there's a possibility of finding it too smooth. It had all the detail, vocals a little more realism to them, IMO, but just sounded so analogue, I simply wasn't expecting this at all. It blew me away I was unable to think beyond the smoothness. Probably, the most analogue sounding digital source I have ever heard. Note I have heard naims flagship 500 series. 

 

I am not at all suggesting sell and buy an Astell & Kern, as given what you say, I don't think it would be to your liking. 

 

I push my IE800 with a Meridian Explorer 2 and the AK240. both work extremely well, and again are different. the 240 is not quite as smooth as the lower model I heard. I love, and could live with either pairing. Note I run the E2 with a 5v linear power supply which makes a tremendous difference.  

 

I am not telling you the A&K 100/120 is better, as for me it is purely subjective given the differences I briefly heard. He had in the inferior Nano iDSD at hand, that was blown out of the water completely in all aspects. 


The IE800 has alot potential , it has to be pushed . 
I encourage everyone who owns an IE800 to get a good dac/amp that pairs well with it .
The iFi iDSD Micro in my opinion is just beautiful , the synergy is perfect with the ie800 .

I really love the design of the A&K 100 II , 120 II & 240 ,
But all of them are really too expensive for my use . 
I haven't try them , and i am not sure what to expect . 
But the iDSD Micro's 3D Holographic & XBass were what made me make that decision too ! 

Feel free to head over to my reviews and take a view of my opinion on the iDSD Micro & IE800 pairing , 
& leave your comments too ^^ , perhaps it could make searching for an amp easier ! 

hahaha !

 

post #3143 of 5926
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Originally Posted by potatoe94 View Post
 


The IE800 has alot potential , it has to be pushed . 
I encourage everyone who owns an IE800 to get a good dac/amp that pairs well with it .
The iFi iDSD Micro in my opinion is just beautiful , the synergy is perfect with the ie800 .

I really love the design of the A&K 100 II , 120 II & 240 ,
But all of them are really too expensive for my use . 
I haven't try them , and i am not sure what to expect . 
But the iDSD Micro's 3D Holographic & XBass were what made me make that decision too ! 

Feel free to head over to my reviews and take a view of my opinion on the iDSD Micro & IE800 pairing , 
& leave your comments too ^^ , perhaps it could make searching for an amp easier ! 

hahaha !

 

I will look forward to having a read, I find the IE800 very very versatile, even with my iPhone 5S, Onkyo app and AIFF files they sound superb. With techno music I feel that i'm in a club with a fully loaded Funktion1 system. It doesn't get better than that. Using the iPhone then upping the game with my other DAC's is great as they really allow each piece of equipment to shine as it ought to as its respective price point. Sadly I don't have much experience with headphones amps. I used to own a high end system with wilson audio sophia on the end but in the end gifted them to my dad as he gets more use from them. Dac wise i've owned the MDAC, Benchmark DAC1 to name a few, this was when I owned a pair of HD650, which I find veiled and rather boring, IME. the moved onto AKG Q701, which were better, but none ever came close to my IE800. I have the HD800 on the way to me, so I need an amp for these, although i'm told the AK240 works well with them, this would be nice as I currently have no cash for an amp so it would have to wait. I got a good deal on the HD800 and couldn't resist. 

 

There are some bargain AK100's about on ebay, they can be procured for about £350 for one in good condition. I will not be parting with my AK240, I was lucky to have one shipped new for a bargain price from the USA. it Cost me with a128 SD card, just over £1100.00. Not cheap I know, but cheaper than the UK.

 

I presume you know of the 1/8 rule? If not do let me explain. Very important when pairing amps with IEM's or headphones. 

 

Best wishes. 

post #3144 of 5926
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Originally Posted by Pedro83 View Post
 

I will look forward to having a read, I find the IE800 very very versatile, even with my iPhone 5S, Onkyo app and AIFF files they sound superb. With techno music I feel that i'm in a club with a fully loaded Funktion1 system. It doesn't get better than that. Using the iPhone then upping the game with my other DAC's is great as they really allow each piece of equipment to shine as it ought to as its respective price point. Sadly I don't have much experience with headphones amps. I used to own a high end system with wilson audio sophia on the end but in the end gifted them to my dad as he gets more use from them. Dac wise i've owned the MDAC, Benchmark DAC1 to name a few, this was when I owned a pair of HD650, which I find veiled and rather boring, IME. the moved onto AKG Q701, which were better, but none ever came close to my IE800. I have the HD800 on the way to me, so I need an amp for these, although i'm told the AK240 works well with them, this would be nice as I currently have no cash for an amp so it would have to wait. I got a good deal on the HD800 and couldn't resist. 

 

There are some bargain AK100's about on ebay, they can be procured for about £350 for one in good condition. I will not be parting with my AK240, I was lucky to have one shipped new for a bargain price from the USA. it Cost me with a128 SD card, just over £1100.00. Not cheap I know, but cheaper than the UK.

 

I presume you know of the 1/8 rule? If not do let me explain. Very important when pairing amps with IEM's or headphones. 

 

Best wishes. 

I have not heard of 1/8 rule or what it is about , perhaps you could share , since we are all in the same forum ^^ and there's no harm knowing more ! hahaha 
I owned the Beyer T90 once , and paired with the iDSD Nano , iTube Micro , iCAN Nano . it somewhat comes close , but with a wider and more believable soundstage than the ie800 .
I really liked it , until i realised , there are too many cables , and my entire setup is not portable at all .  

post #3145 of 5926

The 1/8 rule says that the source's output impedance should be lower than 1/8 of the headphone's impedance.

post #3146 of 5926
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Originally Posted by HiFiChris View Post
 

The 1/8 rule says that the source's output impedance should be lower than 1/8 of the headphone's impedance.

And this is to achieve optimal operation or optimal audio quality ? 

Considering i run the iDSD Micro with given information . 
I am using the setting of NORMAL > IEM OFF . @ 12'Oclock .
with my IE800 + 75Ohm Impedance Adapter .

 

So the calculations should be .... 
Having only 1Ohm output impedance , 
It is way below the headphone's impedance i have , 
which should be good , am i right ? 

(correct me if i am wrong , im learning ^^)


Edited by potatoe94 - 3/16/15 at 9:23am
post #3147 of 5926
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Originally Posted by potatoe94 View Post
 

And this is to achieve optimal operation or optimal audio quality ? 

Considering i run the iDSD Micro with given information . 
I am using the setting of NORMAL > IEM OFF . @ 12'Oclock .
with my IE800 + 75Ohm Impedance Adapter .

 

So the calculations should be .... 
Having only 1Ohm output impedance , 
It is way below the headphone's impedance i have , 
which should be good , am i right ? 

(correct me if i am wrong , im learning ^^)

theoretically if you add 75ohm impedance it is still worse, if you have 10 ohm output impedance, than if you would had had 0.1 output impedance and 16 ohm impedance on iems.

 

in practice, all that matters is how it combines, because any can sound better, there is no certain rule.

 

even 1 ohm output impedance can sound worse than 0.5 ohm output impedance, if you drive 16 ohm iems, but it doesnt mean it all at all times.

post #3148 of 5926
i think the "in practice" is more important than "in theory" Hahahaa !
post #3149 of 5926

If the IEM has got a flat impedance response the source's output impedance is not that important.

Almost all multi driver IEMs and many fullsize dynamic headphones however don't have a flat impedance response (the IEMs basically due to their crossovers and the fullsize dynamic headphones due to their resonance frequency) and will sound different on a source with a rather high output resistance.

 

Just as an example: below you can see the UE T.F10's impedance response and how the sources' output will differ from their normaly flat frequency response they put out when such an IEM with varying impedance response is connected to their output.

The MacBook Air has got the lowest output resistance out of the sources tested below, the Nexus 7 (by far) the highest.

If I'd connect an IEM or headphone with linear impedance response (such as the IE800) even to the Nexus 7, the result would be a flat output and not what you can see below despite the very high output impedance.

 

 

 

post #3150 of 5926

I tend to feel 80 is a little bit better/proper than 800 for symphony. What do you guys think?

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