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post #121 of 2339

The price, non-removeable cable and the stiff kevlar reinforce cable is the turn off for me. I have put an order for IE80. Will use IE80 for now and wait for the next version of IE800.

post #122 of 2339
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Originally Posted by GL1TCH3D View Post

It seems a lot of people think it's going to be a flop? O.o
I'm in the market to get some high end universals. I really don't want to go through the process of making a custom.
I wonder how these will do against the k3003?

 

You really don't want to spend that much on an iem that has a non-removable cable. Iems and earphones inherently have weaker cables than full sized cans to increase flexibility and portability (full sized can cables are nice and thick).

 

I think there will be some people who will buy this and wonder what their money went to when the cable has eventually fallen apart and there is no warranty left...for god sake Sennheiser, how much does it cost to engineer a removable cable? Why does the IE8 have a removable cable but not the IE800?

 

Big thumbs down Sennheiser, not impressed at all with your ambiguous designs, form over function crap expected from Monster.

 

Going through the process of getting customs is oh so worth that wait so long as you get something you are sure you will like.


Edited by ProjectDenz - 5/21/12 at 3:55pm
post #123 of 2339
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Originally Posted by ProjectDenz View Post

 

You really don't want to spend that much on an iem that has a non-removable cable. Iems and earphones inherently have weaker cables than full sized cans to increase flexibility and portability (full sized can cables are nice and thick).

 

I think there will be some people who will buy this and wonder what their money went to when the cable has eventually fallen apart and there is no warranty left...for god sake Sennheiser, how much does it cost to engineer a removable cable? Why does the IE8 have a removable cable but not the IE800?

 

Big thumbs down Sennheiser, not impressed at all with your ambiguous designs, form over function crap expected from Monster.

 

Going through the process of getting customs is oh so worth that wait so long as you get something you are sure you will like.

i have to agree..

 

i found sennheiser on the ie8 cheaped out with a non gold plated connector, not a big deal considering they did a removeable cable.

 

i think non removeable is a huge thumbs down, no matter what the sound signature is.

post #124 of 2339
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post

i have to agree..

 

i found sennheiser on the ie8 cheaped out with a non gold plated connector, not a big deal considering they did a removeable cable.

 

i think non removeable is a huge thumbs down, no matter what the sound signature is.

 

I know right, even $2 store headphone have a gold plated jack.

post #125 of 2339
It just gets worn off over time anyway...
post #126 of 2339
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Originally Posted by vwinter View Post

It just gets worn off over time anyway...

doesnt matter. thats like having sennheiser sell headphones with a damaged cable and non working left channel, becuase after a bit of use those kinda things happen anyway lol.

 

its the thought that counts, even if in the end the plating may chip still the ie8 arent cheap, and gold plated jacks are a staple point in pretty much all earphones/headphones.

 

to me it also doesnt make sense that on more expensive earphones, they would back peddle to a non removeable cable, when the ie8 before them does have the removeable cable. to me it doesnt make sense.

post #127 of 2339
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Originally Posted by ProjectDenz View Post

You really don't want to spend that much on an iem that has a non-removable cable. Iems and earphones inherently have weaker cables than full sized cans to increase flexibility and portability (full sized can cables are nice and thick).

I think there will be some people who will buy this and wonder what their money went to when the cable has eventually fallen apart and there is no warranty left...for god sake Sennheiser, how much does it cost to engineer a removable cable? Why does the IE8 have a removable cable but not the IE800?

Big thumbs down Sennheiser, not impressed at all with your ambiguous designs, form over function crap expected from Monster.

Going through the process of getting customs is oh so worth that wait so long as you get something you are sure you will like.

When I saw that both on the K3003 and IE800 I thought it was very weird... Being top end universals... Maybe I'll take my chances and go with a CIEM.
post #128 of 2339
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post

doesnt matter. thats like having sennheiser sell headphones with a damaged cable and non working left channel, becuase after a bit of use those kinda things happen anyway lol.

 

its the thought that counts, even if in the end the plating may chip still the ie8 arent cheap, and gold plated jacks are a staple point in pretty much all earphones/headphones.

 

to me it also doesnt make sense that on more expensive earphones, they would back peddle to a non removeable cable, when the ie8 before them does have the removeable cable. to me it doesnt make sense.

 

That's utterly untrue. The IE8 is one of the most reliable IEMS out there. How many owners have you seen complain about the cable? All of my iems with gold plated jacks, the gold is starting to wear off with the constant friction. Just saying something should be there for the sake of it is not a good mindset to have. Sennheiser's engineers put thousands of hours of R&D into their product. If they spotted a problem with the lack of gold plating, they would have done something. As a matter of fact, I imagine that he gold plating rubbing off over time would create inconsistencies between the plated and exposed portions of the jack.

 

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Originally Posted by ProjectDenz View Post

 

I know right, even $2 store headphone have a gold plated jack.

 

See above.

post #129 of 2339
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Originally Posted by GL1TCH3D View Post


When I saw that both on the K3003 and IE800 I thought it was very weird... Being top end universals... Maybe I'll take my chances and go with a CIEM.

 

Definitely the way to go. But be sure to choose a sound signature or something you can stick with for a long time.
post #130 of 2339
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

That's utterly untrue. The IE8 is one of the most reliable IEMS out there. How many owners have you seen complain about the cable? All of my iems with gold plated jacks, the gold is starting to wear off with the constant friction. Just saying something should be there for the sake of it is not a good mindset to have. Sennheiser's engineers put thousands of hours of R&D into their product. If they spotted a problem with the lack of gold plating, they would have done something. As a matter of fact, I imagine that he gold plating rubbing off over time would create inconsistencies between the plated and exposed portions of the jack.


See above.

Took the words right out of my mouth, especially the bold/underlined.
post #131 of 2339

This thread is eight pages and counting of people going 'me too, this IEM that I have never seen or heard is a fail'. It makes me wonder on what basis people judge headphones? 

 

I think that this removable cable issue is a red herring. This is not a typical IEM cable and If you look at the quality of both the cable and the connector, they appears near bullet-proof. Removable cable connections are themselves points of failure.

 

Will it be comfortable and practical? That is an interesting question. We don't know yet. 

 

As for the price, it will of course be too much for some people. Those people are not the target audience. There is an emerging $800 to $1300 universal IEM market. This is Sennheiser's foray into the lower end of that market. If these are good, they will sell because the target audience does exist. I, for one, am growing tired of the congestion of balanced armatures. If these are true ambient pressure open air flow IEMs that operate at a level that competes with high-end balanced armature IEMs, I think that it is pretty exciting.

 

We will see...

post #132 of 2339

1. Where is the confirmation that the ie800 won't have a detachable cable? I'd like to see that as I am surprised Sennheiser would let that pass with today's consumer needs. (However, they can also change the design in the next 2 months before release)

 

2. Tell me more about how gold plated jacks affect sound quality. Here's something for everyone to digest; it does nothing if not, almost nothing. It's decorative.

 

 

I'm not really getting involved with this right now, but I'll definitely be interested how these in ears turn out. It's best to underestimate.

post #133 of 2339
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

1. Where is the confirmation that the ie800 won't have a detachable cable? I'd like to see that as I am surprised Sennheiser would let that pass with today's consumer needs. (However, they can also change the design in the next 2 months before release)

 

2. Tell me more about how gold plated jacks affect sound quality. Here's something for everyone to digest; it does nothing if not, almost nothing. It's decorative.

 

 

I'm not really getting involved with this right now, but I'll definitely be interested how these in ears turn out. It's best to underestimate.

 

  1. Sennheiser said the cable wasn't detachable I believe in the press release somewhere. 
  2. Gold plating actually does affect audio quality.  Silver/Nickel both conduct electricity a little better than gold.  The thing that gold has on Nickel is that it doesn't corrode as quickly over time.  This is the main reason why it's used; not for audio quality really (although it can change sound if the entire cable is gold plated...  That would be expensive though).
post #134 of 2339

Like I said though, it's little to no difference imo unless you've got extremely resolving drivers. Connectors are not like wire/cabling. If you have a hard time a/b ing cables, then you'd never spot the difference with the connectors. Especially since the cable lengths are so short; conductivity is snappy and a mere coating on a connector would have practically no impact on sound.

 

Technically, yes it makes a difference. Audibly, no matter if you have golden ears, not one bit. You'd never spot the difference on a 750$ earphone.

 

 

Pretty big fail on senn's part for not making detachable cable though...

post #135 of 2339
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

Like I said though, it's little to no difference imo unless you've got extremely resolving drivers. Connectors are not like wire/cabling. If you have a hard time a/b ing cables, then you'd never spot the difference with the connectors. Especially since the cable lengths are so short; conductivity is snappy and a mere coating on a connector would have practically no impact on sound.

 

Technically, yes it makes a difference. Audibly, no matter if you have golden ears, not one bit. You'd never spot the difference on a 750$ earphone.

 

 

Pretty big fail on senn's part for not making detachable cable though...

 

I'll agree with that.  And definitely a +1 for the permenantly attached cables :(  I rarely have problems with Kevlar cables though, it's still disappointing though :(

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