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Denon D2000 vs. Beyer DT770 Pro 80 ohm Unamped ... Who wins?

post #1 of 19
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These were my top two choices for new headphones. I ended up getting the Denons, and while there are a lot of things I like about them, comfort-wise they just aren't a good fit. I have a very big head and the clamping force of the Denons combined with the shape of the ear cups just doesn't work for me.

 

So I'm thinking of swapping them for the Beyers. Problem is that I will be running them unamped a lot of the time and the Denons are 25 ohm while the Beyer's are 80 ohm cans ....

 

Will the ohm difference make that much of an impact?

post #2 of 19

You'll need a better source for the beyers...they need more power than the denons.

 

Where are you plugging them to?

post #3 of 19

Waaa? my d2k are incredibly comfortable, even with my big head. 

 

No offence but i think you are doing something wrong, they sort of just sit on my head,

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Don't even think about running stock DT770/80 unamped, unless you don't mind subpar performance. It is not just the ohm, ohm is not the only factor deciding the need for an amp. Beyers need an amp for best sound.

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Originally Posted by blinkstar View Post

These were my top two choices for new headphones. I ended up getting the Denons, and while there are a lot of things I like about them, comfort-wise they just aren't a good fit. I have a very big head and the clamping force of the Denons combined with the shape of the ear cups just doesn't work for me.

 

So I'm thinking of swapping them for the Beyers. Problem is that I will be running them unamped a lot of the time and the Denons are 25 ohm while the Beyer's are 80 ohm cans ....

 

Will the ohm difference make that much of an impact?



 

post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by fabio-fi View Post

You'll need a better source for the beyers...they need more power than the denons.

 

Where are you plugging them to?

 

Amped, I'll be using them hopefully with my FiiO E9 (if I can get it repaired/replaced) plugged into my Auzentech Prelude soundcard on my PC ... unamped with my Playstation Vita ...

 

@Wir3D .... For some reason the Denons press down on my temporal bone, I guess it would be, that's the slight bump you can feel right in front of your ears, just above the lobes. I've tried rotating the pads and it helps a little but not by much. My ATH-M50s, Beyer 8800s and Samson SR850s do not do this. With those cans, I hardly know I'm wearing them. It is a different story with the Denons.

 

@andychen ... I just keep reading different user opinions on this. Some say you can't listen to them unamped at all, others that they sound fine unamped but even better amped ... Wish I could just try them for myself but as far as I can tell there are none in my area.

 

Thank you all for responding!

post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by WiR3D View Post

Waaa? my d2k are incredibly comfortable, even with my big head. 

 

No offence but i think you are doing something wrong, they sort of just sit on my head,



I find the denon incredibly comfy also, but the Beyer is the most comfortable hp that I've ever owned. The weight is lighter and I just can't even feel them on my head. I don't hear many people have the problem with comfort that you do with the d2k. You would need some sort of amp with the Beyer...fiio e10 would be fine on high gain. Saw one for $50 shipped here just a few days ago.

 

good luck...

post #7 of 19
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/594981/denon-d2000-crush-my-head

 

This guy in the thread above described the exact same issue I'm having.

 

@Matt--my Beyer 8800s are easily the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn, so I believe you about the DT770s ... $50 for the e10 sounds like a great deal ... you don't think the e9 would drive them well? If that is true, then they would probably sound bad out of the PS Vita, no?

post #8 of 19
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I find the denon incredibly comfy also, but the Beyer is the most comfortable hp that I've ever owned. The weight is lighter and I just can't even feel them on my head. I don't hear many people have the problem with comfort that you do with the d2k. You would need some sort of amp with the Beyer...fiio e10 would be fine on high gain. Saw one for $50 shipped here just a few days ago.

 

good luck...


I agree on the comfort aspect. I'd recommend the E11 over the E9 tho. 

 

post #9 of 19
To each his own then, i have the AKG242HD which has a similar SS to the denon and almost almost almost that level of clarity, needs more power tho, and not as well build, but comfortable, shouldnt do what the denons do, and cheap, if you shop around.
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by blinkstar View Post
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Originally Posted by fabio-fi View Post

You'll need a better source for the beyers...they need more power than the denons.

 

Where are you plugging them to?

Amped, I'll be using them hopefully with my FiiO E9 (if I can get it repaired/replaced) plugged into my Auzentech Prelude soundcard on my PC ... unamped with my Playstation Vita ...

@Wir3D .... For some reason the Denons press down on my temporal bone, I guess it would be, that's the slight bump you can feel right in front of your ears, just above the lobes. I've tried rotating the pads and it helps a little but not by much. My ATH-M50s, Beyer 8800s and Samson SR850s do not do this. With those cans, I hardly know I'm wearing them. It is a different story with the Denons.

@andychen ... I just keep reading different user opinions on this. Some say you can't listen to them unamped at all, others that they sound fine unamped but even better amped ... Wish I could just try them for myself but as far as I can tell there are none in my area.


Some "unamped" connections are better then other "unamped" connections.

Apple products seem to drive headphones better then their non-apple competitors.

A $200 mp3 player will usually drive headphones better then a $50 mp3 player.

 

 

post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post


Some "unamped" connections are better then other "unamped" connections.

Apple products seem to drive headphones better then their non-apple competitors.

A $200 mp3 player will usually drive headphones better then a $50 mp3 player.

 

 



That makes sense.

 

So you own the 770s. What do you think of them? I have the Denons now but am debating whether I should have gone for the Beyers instead. I love my 8800s, apart from their bass response.


Edited by blinkstar - 4/12/12 at 1:42pm
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post
Some "unamped" connections are better then other "unamped" connections.

Apple products seem to drive headphones better then their non-apple competitors.

A $200 mp3 player will usually drive headphones better then a $50 mp3 player.

That makes sense. So you own the 770s. What do you think of them? I have the Denons now but am debating whether I should have gone for the Beyers instead. I love my 8800s, apart from their bass response.

I do like the thump of my DT770 Pro 80-Ohms.

Great for that nice full bass.

Sometimes there are some good deals on used DT770 Pro 80-Ohm on eBay.

Beyerdynamic USA sometimes sell refurbs from their eBay page, bd-usa.
 

 

 

post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 

I just replaced the stock d2000 pads with the pads from my 8800s ... SO much more comfortable. I think it was those angled Denon pads I didn't like. I was afraid bass would suffer from the switch, but so far, not so much.

 

EDIT: Okay, maybe this is just the placebo effect, but I swear .... these SOUND better with the Beyer pads ... highs are a little more distinct without any sibilance ... I might start a new thread just about this, I like it that much!


Edited by blinkstar - 4/12/12 at 2:58pm
post #14 of 19

I'm in the opposite boat...I have the Beyers and was thinking of selling them.  I've been wanting to hear the D2000's.

We should swap.  L3000.gif

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by BGRoberts View Post

I'm in the opposite boat...I have the Beyers and was thinking of selling them.  I've been wanting to hear the D2000's.

We should swap.  L3000.gif



What you dont like about your beyers? 

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