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post #16 of 259

Proven? Provide this proof please.

post #17 of 259

Etymotic ER-4S

post #18 of 259

Every graph (over 5 sources) I've seen shows it's not below the minimum target tolerance for accuracy. You do need proper insertion and compensation isn't a factor for lower frequencies so there's little questioning of the graphs.

 

People that complain about a metallic timbre or poor bass punch and depth just don't get it hitting the ear''s second bend

 

Relativity is also a factor, most IEMs are too boosted in the bass which is the case for the FX700 and (edit:whoops TF10 not XBA1) 


Edited by Inks - 4/8/12 at 9:23pm
post #19 of 259

Oh so I just don't get it. Good to know.

post #20 of 259

Another idea: ACS T15.  It's slightly easier to get a seal with it since it's got single flange tips as well as triple.

post #21 of 259

As mentioned above, the MDR-EX1000s can be very detailed, plus they have a deep and relatively well balenced bass.  Shures and Wastones dont generally have the V shaped response you want to avoid, but they do tend to have a warmed up bass.

 

Try the EX1000,  for the music you are talking about they have a very articulate and tight bass compared the lighter Etys.  Far better than the TF-10s in every way for my taste.

post #22 of 259

The ER-4 was above his price range, so why recommend the EX1000s? I'll recommend the EX600s if anything. 

post #23 of 259

Bah what's the point of beating around the bush with lowly substitutes. You know he will get the ER4 sooner or later so just go for the gold and be happy.

post #24 of 259

Yeah, the er4 is the way to go. Frankly, with foamies you definitely can get some punch in the bass but the highs roll off a little bit earlier. Anyway, the er4 really needs an amp to shine  - even a fiio e11 is good enough as it doesn't colour the sound much but gives a nice punch to the sub bass without bloating it and losing overall detail. I don't see why you should argue here about insertion and punch as people perceive bass differently - for me the bass of the er4 has really good speed and attack but without an amp can definitely sound lean and lacking in that region.

post #25 of 259

That's too broad of an statement to be useful, knowing the specifics (source/amp)will be of more help. Source matching is dependent on linear changes of OI and impedance changes curves. ER-4 sounds just fine via my iPhone-4, which is low OI. Amps aren't always an improvement and can actually make things worse, I wouldn't dare amp my iPhone-4 with an E11. If anything, I think most amps aren't worth the ridiculous prices, manufacturers just take advantage of the lack of knowledge and perception. 

 

I did mention that bass is relative, most will be brought up in this hobby with bassier IEMs. Thus something linear like these will be perceived as thin, but you wise up to it. 

post #26 of 259

Well, I've auditioned the er4 with a fiio e11 on an iphone 4s and can say it definitely sounds better and the fiio products are really far from ridiculously priced. The e11 is pretty neutral despite what some people say and I don't see what impedance issues you think may arise as its output impedance is 0,5 or something. On the other hand its bass boost is boosting mainly the sub bass region and really adds some punch while there isn't any bass bleed in the mids to affect the clarity - if anything the bass gets tighter and more controlled. Before I've tried the er4 with an older cmoybb on a 3rd gen nano and still they sounded better, so I'm not even talking for amps like ALO Rx or RSA SR-71B but for 65 bucks and a LOD you deffinitely get more from your er4. 

post #27 of 259

425 is pretty flat and analytical

 

Try also the DBA-02 MK II

post #28 of 259

E11 isn't that well channelled matched and adds distortion. The lower OI will make it warmer based on the Ety's curve , but you can the same results if not better (since you like the change) by using a 68ohm resistor instead of 75ohms on a ER-4P. 

 

Iphone 4 is 1 ohms OI, 4s is 1.6. Just a tidbit. 

 

Even the lower priced amps are unnecessary imo, very marginal gains for such an added bulk. IEMs are unlike cans, they really don't need power because their efficiency is ridiculously high even when damped with impedance, changes are mostly based on impedance curves. 

post #29 of 259
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

E11 isn't that well channelled matched and adds distortion. The lower OI will make it warmer based on the Ety's curve , but you can the same results if not better (since you like the change) by using a 68ohm resistor instead of 75ohms on a ER-4P. 

 

Iphone 4 is 1 ohms OI, 4s is 1.6. Just a tidbit. 

 

Even the lower priced amps are unnecessary imo, very marginal gains for such an added bulk. IEMs are unlike cans, they really don't need power because their efficiency is ridiculously high even when damped with impedance, changes are mostly based on impedance curves. 



Well, if there is any sound change from a "impredance mismatch" it's probably much less than a decibel and is definitely inaudibe. On the other hand, you use the line-out signal which is more powerful and cleaner, so the overall sound will always be better for me.

post #30 of 259
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425 is pretty flat and analytical

 

Try also the DBA-02 MK II



I've owned the 425.  It still didnt have that etymotic feel to it.



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Originally Posted by ProjectDenz View Post

Bah what's the point of beating around the bush with lowly substitutes. You know he will get the ER4 sooner or later so just go for the gold and be happy.


I like your thinking

 


 

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

Another idea: ACS T15.  It's slightly easier to get a seal with it since it's got single flange tips as well as triple.


how do they match up to the ER4?

 

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Every graph (over 5 sources) I've seen shows it's not below the minimum target tolerance for accuracy. You do need proper insertion and compensation isn't a factor for lower frequencies so there's little questioning of the graphs.

 

People that complain about a metallic timbre or poor bass punch and depth just don't get it hitting the ear''s second bend

 

Relativity is also a factor, most IEMs are too boosted in the bass which is the case for the FX700 and (edit:whoops TF10 not XBA1) 


 

Heck I even noticed some bass with the HF3.

 

 

on a separate note to anyone.  What headphone would you guys recommend I get, based upon your favorite sound signature??? Every headphone I hear about is so main stream... examples: ie8, UM3X, W3, W4, UM2, SE535, ER4, IE80, ETC ETC.


Edited by delladood - 4/9/12 at 12:53pm
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