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post #9991 of 20628

haha ya, well at 60 on a fiio e17, craaaaaazy distortion, no good

post #9992 of 20628
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

haha ya, well at 60 on a fiio e17, craaaaaazy distortion, no good

Are you seriously running +12 gain at 60/60 vol on E17, through the HE400? What are you trying to turn them into loudspeakers?

post #9993 of 20628
Not that I was listening at 60, but I kept upping the volume because the dynamics and detail, even the soundstage, that everyone raves about just was not there at all. Like I said, just off a 45 minute listen, I think the hd598s just out class these. I really hope they grow on me, and scale well, because the sx727 and dac destroyer + pc, make my shures even sound alot better, I need to try that asap. I wanted to wait and get used to these on the pleathers, but I don't know if I can take it, I need to see what the velours do, and really hope they take these where I want them to go. I had/have big plans for these if they change with time, brain burn in. Wood surrounds and sliders, nice grills, rich comfy sheepskin headband. And so on and so fourth. I have heard that some felt the same as me, so I suppose I just need time. I just find it odd that the hd598s impressed me so much more, but I suppose the e17 could be my weak link, and people here just have overhyped it as a viable source. But, I am fairly new to this field, so I'm probably just wrong all together, or inexperienced shall I say. I love the journey to end game, but my god it is stressful!
post #9994 of 20628
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

haha ya, well at 60 on a fiio e17, craaaaaazy distortion, no good

Strange.

When i run my FIio E17 with the HE-400 on max volume i only get distortion in some songs.

What is your source? What sort of music you listen to? Are you sure both the Fiio and the HE-400 are legit?

post #9995 of 20628
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Are you seriously running +12 gain at 60/60 vol on E17, through the HE400? What are you trying to turn them into loudspeakers?

No I got to about 50, what's odd is, I have noticed that through USB out, on my laptop my volume is lower, but, my desktop is always louder, I've checked the USB port specs and they're the same between the two, but there is absolutely a noticeable difference between pc and laptop with the e17. I wish I was at home so I could run the desktop and my pioneer.
post #9996 of 20628
Definitely legit, the e17 was brand new from amazon, the he400 is from headamp. I ran only flac through them, and tracks I know very very well.
post #9997 of 20628
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Not that I was listening at 60, but I kept upping the volume because the dynamics and detail, even the soundstage, that everyone raves about just was not there at all. Like I said, just off a 45 minute listen, I think the hd598s just out class these. I really hope they grow on me, and scale well, because the sx727 and dac destroyer + pc, make my shures even sound alot better, I need to try that asap. I wanted to wait and get used to these on the pleathers, but I don't know if I can take it, I need to see what the velours do, and really hope they take these where I want them to go. I had/have big plans for these if they change with time, brain burn in. Wood surrounds and sliders, nice grills, rich comfy sheepskin headband. And so on and so fourth. I have heard that some felt the same as me, so I suppose I just need time. I just find it odd that the hd598s impressed me so much more, but I suppose the e17 could be my weak link, and people here just have overhyped it as a viable source. But, I am fairly new to this field, so I'm probably just wrong all together, or inexperienced shall I say. I love the journey to end game, but my god it is stressful!

What kinds of music do you judge headphones by? HE400 is objectively more coloured than HD598s, so if you innately prefer a more neutral sound (especially in the midrange~treble balance) it would make a lot of sense that you prefer the Senns. I would say the planars have an upper hand in dynamics and detail compared to bread-and-butter dynamics like the Senn HD5/6XXs, but just have different rather than "better" soundstage presentation. 

 

Overall there are a ton of subjective preferential factors involved here that influence how you feel about the HE400's sound. It is a very capable 'phone, but it carries quirks with it.

post #9998 of 20628
Well, like I said, I need to try these on a different source all together, as well as get used to their signature. Also, I need to change to velours. I would like to spend a few days with the pleathers though, just so I know what differences I hear. I also have been awake for 20 hours, and worked/drove a lot today, my ears may just be tired. As far as music goes by for judgment, I always go to Alice in chains MTV unplugged album
post #9999 of 20628
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Well, like I said, I need to try these on a different source all together, as well as get used to their signature. Also, I need to change to velours. I would like to spend a few days with the pleathers though, just so I know what differences I hear. I also have been awake for 20 hours, and worked/drove a lot today, my ears may just be tired. As far as music goes by for judgment, I always go to Alice in chains MTV unplugged album

 

Good album for testing purposes. I'm pretty sure you'll notice the difference between the pleathers and velours no problem. With me when I first received my HE-400 I slapped on the velours first thing and used them that way for a few months. I then decided to check out the pleather pads for giggles, never again. They sounded really bad. Since then I've done the Jergpad mod and I don't feel the need to even go back to velour! Long story short, pads make a difference.

post #10000 of 20628

Someone needs to start selling the Jergpad; I'm too lazy to do it myself!

post #10001 of 20628
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Well, like I said, I need to try these on a different source all together, as well as get used to their signature. Also, I need to change to velours. I would like to spend a few days with the pleathers though, just so I know what differences I hear. I also have been awake for 20 hours, and worked/drove a lot today, my ears may just be tired. As far as music goes by for judgment, I always go to Alice in chains MTV unplugged album

Its quite strange but yes, everyone has their own mind about sound.

Personally i changed the pleathers to some beyerdynamic velours and so far im dissapointed in the audio change. 

I think i prefered the pleather since for me, the velour makes them too bright (and in general it seems i dont like brightness).

 

As for different sources, i got the E17 and an asgard amp.

I definitly like it more on the asgard, but dont expect night and day diference. Rather a 15%-20% improvement in some areas.

 

I enjoy the HE-400 but its fatiguating for me most of the time, so i might need a more relaxed siganture for resting my mind after work... perhaps the HD600. We will see :D.

post #10002 of 20628
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Originally Posted by hemipowered007 View Post

Well, like I said, I need to try these on a different source all together, as well as get used to their signature. Also, I need to change to velours. I would like to spend a few days with the pleathers though, just so I know what differences I hear. I also have been awake for 20 hours, and worked/drove a lot today, my ears may just be tired. As far as music goes by for judgment, I always go to Alice in chains MTV unplugged album


How loud do you listen? With 12 gain you shouldn't listen at more than 30 or so.

 

Regarding pleather and velours, I think you will notice no more than what might be a pleasant difference sound wise. Not night/day. Same goes with better amping.

post #10003 of 20628

Pretty late to the party.

 

Before Head-fi (August 2010):

 

Grado 325i - $295 + cable ($40) + Mini adaptor cable ($15) = $350

Nuforce udac 2 - $99

 

Post Head-fi:

 

Denon D600 (for movies only) - $395

Ibasso D7 - $179

 

Hifiman HE-400 - $399

Yulong Sabre D18 (placed order) - $699

Yulong Sabre A18 -$899

 

Total: $3,020 in 3 years. eek.gif

 

I have always picked up anything i wanted whenever i travelled. So no delivery charges!!

I love all of this and don't plan to to sell any of them at all. I have loaned out the Grados, the Denon and the D7 to family.

 

So that makes $449 pre Head-fi, and $2571 post Head-fi!! And i live in India!

Aaargh!! See what you have done to my bank account HEAD-FI!! You turned an interest into an obsession

 

I was planning to get an iBasson DX100 on my next trip. I am going to hold of now!!

Maybe in another 6 months. After that, a sabbatical for the next 3 years at least.

post #10004 of 20628
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Originally Posted by nicolo View Post

Pretty late to the party.

 

Before Head-fi (August 2010):

 

Grado 325i - $295 + cable ($40) + Mini adaptor cable ($15) = $350

Nuforce udac 2 - $99

 

Post Head-fi:

 

Denon D600 (for movies only) - $395

Ibasso D7 - $179

 

Hifiman HE-400 - $399

Yulong Sabre D18 (placed order) - $699

Yulong Sabre A18 -$899

 

Total: $3,020 in 3 years. eek.gif

 

I have always picked up anything i wanted whenever i travelled. So no delivery charges!!

I love all of this and don't plan to to sell any of them at all. I have loaned out the Grados, the Denon and the D7 to family.

 

So that makes $449 pre Head-fi, and $2571 post Head-fi!! And i live in India!

Aaargh!! See what you have done to my bank account HEAD-FI!! You turned an interest into an obsession

 

I was planning to get an iBasson DX100 on my next trip. I am going to hold of now!!

Maybe in another 6 months. After that, a sabbatical for the next 3 years at least.

Looks like the bulk of your spendings are on the DAC and amp. You sure those aren't overkill? Surely you could spend $2000 in ways that provide better end results.

post #10005 of 20628
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Looks like the bulk of your spendings are on the DAC and amp. You sure those aren't overkill? Surely you could spend $2000 in ways that provide better end results.

 

True that.

 

Then again, i am not going to invest further in a new DAC or amp for the next 4-5 years at the very least. In fact, i will be buying an apartment in a couple of years. I have already planned for a home theater set-up plus acoustic treatment for it. So i guess these will be the last headphones/amp/DAC i will be purchasing. I may even upgrade the headphones, but nothing else down the line.

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