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post #9496 of 18082

no, it wouldn't be practical

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post #9498 of 18082
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

Man 2013 has been so disappointing in music. I've settled back down and am still consistently amazed by my HE-400 but the actual albums themselves have been sucking pretty bad this year. So far I've only got two or three I like.

 

But yeah after spending some more time with my HE-400, my next upgrade is definitely going to be one of the top two Stax units. So I'm .. pretty far away from that.


I feel quite the same but come out with a different conclusion.

 

I feel that diminishing return sets in huge after the HE-400s and therefore do not wish to invest hundreds if not thousands into hifi as of now.

 

The thing which is most important for me (and should be for everyone really imo) is the enjoyment factor when listening to the music through the headphone. These HE-400 may not be the most technically advanced hp, but they do well enough to get me engaged in music with no problems.

 

Sometimes, I think that from reading through this site, that too many people care about minimal technical differences which may not have much effect at all after brain burn in sets in.  And this imo makes themselves forget that actually they are supposed to be interested in hifi to enjoy the music you love more rather than trying to be critiques/reviewers.

post #9499 of 18082

Found another thing, don't know if it was already previously known. Up to a certain point a worse seal around the ears aka with the pads increases the low-end. Would explain why the Alpha Pads have less bass than the velours at least.

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Originally Posted by AyeVeeN View Post

Found another thing, don't know if it was already previously known. Up to a certain point a worse seal around the ears aka with the pads increases the low-end. Would explain why the Alpha Pads have less bass than the velours at least.

That doesn't make much sense. I've been pad-rolling for a while and my observation has been that

 

1) distancing the drivers from the ears increases midbass, this phenomenon has been observed by many others as well

 

2) having bad seal (e.g. when head-earpad contact is incomplete) severely rolls off the sub-bass. Sub-bass extension and clarity depends entirely on a full-contact seal.

 

With those two points in mind, Alpha pads should give HE400s a satisfying mid-bass with great sub-bass extension still.

 

Here's my guess at what's causing your observation with the Alpha pads: perhaps the pads increase midrange/treble quantity, so relatively the perceived bass becomes less, even if the absolute bass level has not been diminished.


Edited by jerg - 4/7/13 at 1:39am
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

That doesn't make much sense. I've been pad-rolling for a while and my observation has been that

 

1) distancing the drivers from the ears increases midbass, this phenomenon has been observed by many others as well

 

2) having bad seal (e.g. when head-earpad contact is incomplete) severely rolls off the sub-bass. Sub-bass extension and clarity depends entirely on a full-contact seal.

 

With those two points in mind, Alpha pads should give HE400s a satisfying mid-bass with great sub-bass extension still.

 

Here's my guess at what's causing your observation with the Alpha pads: perhaps the pads increase midrange/treble quantity, so relatively the perceived bass becomes less, even if the absolute bass level has not been diminished.

 

1) mostly is what I'm talking about.

 

2) I've been testing it. I slightly break the seal of the leather with my index finger on the bottom and it indeed increases a bit. Do note that putting my index finger under the pad hardly moves the position of the headphone, if any, due to how easily the pads decompress + the headphone clamp itself. I'm talking about mid-bass though as it is more noticeable. Can't tell on the sub-bass part; too subtle if there's anything to distinguish by breaking the seal.

 

There does seem to be slightly less mid-bass impact. I have a lot of treble and bass focused / mid-deprived songs (think heavy electrohouse/breakbeats) and the mid-bass does seem to decrease a slight amount whereas the sub-bass seems to increase. And I do know these songs pretty damn well considering they're some of my favorites. Treble definitely is not increased quantity-wise or else I'd absolutely hate these headphones. With the velours they were already fatiguing my ears after a few minutes.

 

To determine these I've listened to the songs that I've been listening to for months / some even years. Past few months I've been listening to my Westone ES3X on the go for probably at least 3 hours every time I'm out, which is overall more balanced and much more fitting to my sound preference mid / treble-wise, so I know those songs pretty well.


Edited by AyeVeeN - 4/7/13 at 2:07am
post #9502 of 18082

hi guys,

 

I was wondering if anyone could tell how good the He 400 are with (post-)Hardcore, Metalcore, southern Metal stuff, like

Every time I die, Bring me the horizon, Letlive, Sick of it all and so on

post #9503 of 18082

Has anybody tried equalizing them yet?

post #9504 of 18082

People have gone into great discussions about EQ'ing the HE-400 on this thread.  Most notably, you can do a simple rolloff on its upper treble to drastically improve its sound balance while having the least hassle of trying to EQ.  

 

To get HE-400 to a more balanced level in general, you can give it a slight rise by 3-4db  in the 3-5khz region, and the upper treble rolloff.

 

 

As far as the alpha pads taking away bass, I know that sometimes not having enough air to work with can affect bass extension or make it muddy, but the HE-400 are completely open backed so I don't know why an even better seal from the alpha pads wouldn't improve bass performance further.  I will buy these if for nothing else to see how they feel.  They certainly do look nice.

post #9505 of 18082
They feel amazing. And you know how I hate non-velours. Still hot, but one of the best leather pads I've felt, if not the best. They could stand to have bigger openings though.
post #9506 of 18082
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he demo'd the Stax SR-407 + SRM-252S amp + Pico USB DAC setup from me, from this thread: HeadAmp Headphone Demos (Audeze, HiFiMAN, Stax) -- sign up now

Yep and I've figured out that the Stax is definitely the end game for me, but if I do it, I'm gonna do it right and not leave too much room for more upgradeitis.

post #9507 of 18082
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Originally Posted by ninjames View Post

Yep and I've figured out that the Stax is definitely the end game for me, but if I do it, I'm gonna do it right and not leave too much room for more upgradeitis.

 

SR-009 and you'll be cured of upgradetitis permanently.

post #9508 of 18082
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SR-009 and you'll be cured of upgradetitis permanently.

Then you move onto speakers.

post #9509 of 18082
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Originally Posted by Tangster View Post

Then you move onto speakers.

Haha, I don't think any speaker system is going to win on resolution against the sr-009. Dynamics and soundstage though...

 

I guess I'm weird, I generally like the soundstage of headphones better than on speakers. Speakers never generate rear cues on a stereo setup, while headphones do.

post #9510 of 18082
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Then you move onto speakers.

Never. I use headphones to have that personal, intimate sound. My Creative Gigaworks T40 speakers are my endgame and I have no problem with that.

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