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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

A ton more subtle detail, huh.  That sounds like hyperbole to me.  What specific songs and moments in said songs do you find the 'ton' more subtle detail?

 

Even against the LCD-2, HE-400 with treble EQ'd down is just about as detailed.

Yeah, saying HE500 has a ton more detail than HE400 is a hyperbole indeed.

 

HE500 is more transparent in the midrange because of its more even midrange FR (both in smoothness and in levels) and nicer harmonic distortion figures; one could argue that transparency is rather like detail, but IMO it's more like "correctness" of the details.

 

I'd have to say though treble detail is a lot more "in my face" with HE400 due to its treble FR, than HE500 where everything in the treble is almost too subtle, enough so that it prompted me to look into alternative earpads and pad-fi modding.

 

The point that Dryvadeum is trying to make, it seems, is that the quality of detail is just as important as the presence of detail, and in that regard HE400 lags behind the heavy-hitters.


Edited by jerg - 4/3/13 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by dryvadeum View Post

Have you never heard a real instrument before? It's not hyperbole; saying "Even against the LCD-2, HE-400 with treble EQ'd down is just about as detailed" is hyperbole in that sense.

 

In my opinion, the HE 400 is superficial sounding and doesn't do a good job at expressing the subtle nuances in notes. 


But it still allows you to hear quiet sound and such in music very well. I agree with you, though.

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Originally Posted by dryvadeum View Post

Have you never heard a real instrument before? It's not hyperbole; saying "Even against the LCD-2, HE-400 with treble EQ'd down is just about as detailed" is hyperbole in that sense.

 

In my opinion, the HE 400 is superficial sounding and doesn't do a good job at expressing the subtle nuances in notes. 

 

I have, actually.  I used to play one for years.

 

Now, what are your specific examples where HE-500 has a 'ton more subtle detail?'

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

 

I have, actually.  I used to play one for years.

 

Now, what are your specific examples where HE-500 has a 'ton more subtle detail?'

Go and listen to a well mastered track that features trumpet on it. Listen with both headphones and then tell me you can't hear a noticeable difference in tone and texture between the two.

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Originally Posted by dryvadeum View Post

Go and listen to a well mastered track that features trumpet on it. Listen with both headphones and then tell me you can't hear a noticeable difference in tone and texture between the two.

Accually the he-500 got worse tone and texture than the he-400.

Not to mention the 10x better bass in the 400...

500 users are just mad that a better headphone got released for a cheaper price L3000.gif


Edited by mindflayz - 4/3/13 at 4:05pm
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And what are these well mastered tracks of trumpet you listen to so that we can see the drastic difference in subtle detail?

 

There will be differences in timbre, because HE-400 has less of upper midrange. Timbre and detail aren't really the same to me though.

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Originally Posted by mindflayz View Post

Accually the he-500 got worse tone and texture than the he-400.

Not to mention the 10x better bass (in all aspects)

500 users are just mad that a better headphone got released for a cheaper price L3000.gif

Or HE 400 users are trying to justify that their headphone can compete with more expensive ones cos they don't want to spend that much on them. wink_face.gif

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

And what are these well mastered tracks of trumpet you listen to so that we can see the drastic difference in subtle detail?

 

There will be differences in timbre, because HE-400 has less of upper midrange. Timbre and detail aren't really the same to me though.

Try Christian Atunde Adjuah by Christian Scott. There's a high-res version available on HD Tracks if you're committed smily_headphones1.gif


Edited by dryvadeum - 4/3/13 at 4:13pm
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Stop ***ing up the thread with these petty bickerings please people.

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Oh I'll for sure get that high-res version.  I'm sure it also has a ton more subtle detail in it.

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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Oh I'll for sure get that high-res version.  I'm sure it also has a ton more subtle detail in it.

I'm glad we agree smily_headphones1.gif

post #9372 of 17926
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

Stop ***ing up the thread with these petty bickerings please people.

So it looks like I didn't miss anything during my vacation! 

post #9373 of 17926
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Stop ***ing up the thread with these petty bickerings please people.


I was gunna mention it if you didn't. Jeez if you want perfection in EVERYTHING, get orpheus. Even then, you can criticize it by nit picking on the minute problems and the cycle will never end. Heck, let's say that trumpets sound better on HE-500. But! there are other things that the HE-400 does better as well definitely.

 

As lots of others said, it's a matter of preference. If you like the sound of HE500, pay 700. If you like the sound of HE400, pay 400. I'll even go so far to say tht if your preference is trendy look, you go for the Beats. Simple as that! No need to try and flame/troll others just to justify your purchase!

post #9374 of 17926
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

Oh I'll for sure get that high-res version.  I'm sure it also has a ton more subtle detail in it.


You should have cool story bro'ed the other guy loong ago lol

 

EDIT: Talking about detail, I once auditioned T1 in my friend's house for a good couple of hours which are known to have good amount of detail extraction but honestly speaking, the HE400 extracts enough even compared to it unless the song is extremely complex music.


Edited by jay567 - 4/3/13 at 4:58pm
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Jerg
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Originally Posted by jay567 View Post


I was gunna mention it if you didn't. Jeez if you want perfection in EVERYTHING, get orpheus. Even then, you can criticize it by nit picking on the minute problems and the cycle will never end. Heck, let's say that trumpets sound better on HE-500. But! there are other things that the HE-400 does better as well definitely.

As lots of others said, it's a matter of preference. If you like the sound of HE500, pay 700. If you like the sound of HE400, pay 400. I'll even go so far to say tht if your preference is trendy look, you go for the Beats. Simple as that! No need to try and flame/troll others just to justify your purchase!
,I took your advice and got both 😄. I use any one depending on what mood I am in. The 400 to my hearing is a tad more aggressive so I use it instead of coffee to wake me up. Otherwise I use the 500 and chill out.
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