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My second day with HE-400s. The music is still very enjoyable but in certain sub bass heavy songs I notice that my right driver has noticeably more impact than my left one.

 

I ran a 10sec 30hz sine wave through HE-400s at my typical low-medium listening volume and my right side rumbles while left side sounds few dB lower. At first I thought it were my ears so I flipped the headphones and now the left side rumbled while right side was noticeably quieter. I've tried swapping cables and switching from external DAC to my soundcard but the effect persisted. What's going on here? 

 

Has this been observed before? Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

Here's the .wav file.

 

http://www.sendspace.com/file/og9qst

 

Edit: after more testing it seems like 20-40hz range sounds right heavy with my HE-400, but when I get closer to 40 & higher bass starts shifting closer to center and the rest of the spectrum sounds fine (at least as far as I can tell). Would this be considered a defect or within the acceptable HifiMan +/- precision range?

 

http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sinetone.php

http://www.audiocheck.net/testtones_subwooferharmonicdistortion.php


Edited by Bogatyr - 3/31/13 at 5:05am
post #9182 of 17946
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wje View Post

 

Actually, I think the mini XLR might protrude a bit too far down and bump your shoulders, which could be a problem.  The SMC coax connectors are actually not that bad.  I've sort of learned to deal with them and just ordered 7 pair of them from China for $21.00.

 

If you want a softer HifiMAN cable, you'll have to seek out some options that use a soft nylon paracord.  The cable, twisted 4-conductor Canare star quad, is fed into the sleeve and the other components are then soldered on, and the nylon ends are carefully placed into the connectors and under the shrink-tube so it doesn't fray.

 

 

HifiMAN cable constructed of Canare Star Quad cable, a 3.5mm Rean TRS connector, burgundy paracord with an optional 3.5mm to 1/4" adapter, provided in the picture, but disconnected from the cable connector.

 

Very nice looking cable Wayne!!

post #9183 of 17946
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Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post

My second day with HE-400s. The music is still very enjoyable but in certain sub bass heavy songs I notice that my right driver has noticeably more impact than my left one.

 

I ran a 10sec 30hz sine wave through HE-400s at my typical low-medium listening volume and my right side rumbles while left side sounds few dB lower. At first I thought it were my ears so I flipped the headphones and now the left side rumbled while right side was noticeably quieter. I've tried swapping cables and switching from external DAC to my soundcard but the effect persisted. What's going on here? 

 

Has this been observed before? Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

Here's the .wav file.

 

http://www.sendspace.com/file/og9qst

 

Edit: after more testing it seems like 20-40hz range sounds right heavy with my HE-400, but when I get closer to 40 & higher bass starts shifting closer to center and the rest of the spectrum sounds fine (at least as far as I can tell). Would this be considered a defect or within the acceptable HifiMan +/- precision range?

 

http://www.audiocheck.net/audiofrequencysignalgenerator_sinetone.php

http://www.audiocheck.net/testtones_subwooferharmonicdistortion.php

 

Channel imbalances aren't all that uncommon when it comes to headphones. In fact when I ran a Sinegen a few months back I picked up about 4-5 different frequency ranges on my pair where one side is louder than the other. But luckily the ranges are really small so I would in no way be able to detect it with normal listening.

 

But an imbalance in the lower bass region actually is quite an annoyance if you ask me since you could probably tell from music. Maybe you can get a replacement?

 

p.s. I ran that .wav file, put it on repeat and maxed my M-stage. The headphones are actually shaking basshead.gif

post #9184 of 17946
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Originally Posted by cssarrow View Post

The more i listen to these HE-400, the more i prefer it with upbeat songs than it's older brother, the HE-500.

 

HE-500 is still however, the best balanced sounding headphone i've ever heard.

HE-400 sounds a little to forward & has a small sound stage.

 

Anyone else think the same?

 

Tim

I don't think the soundstage is small of the HE400 by any means actually :p

post #9185 of 17946
The HE-400 has a fairly natural soundstage, IMHO. Not too big, and not too small.
post #9186 of 17946

I don't find HE-400 soundstage small either. But anyway, planars in general aren't known for having ultra-large soundstages.

post #9187 of 17946

OK-I know this has been addressed ad nausea, but I am still curious.

 

I listen to a lot of aggressive rock, metal and punk. But, I also like classical, jazz, folk, new age and electronic ambient.

 

I have Grados which I adore for my heavy rock oriented music.

 

If I wanted to look at something for non rock genres particularly biased toward larger sound stage for symphonic music which is an area Grados are notoriously lacking, is the HE 500 the slam dunk better choice over the 400?

 

I will be going to a meet next month, but thought I'd pose the question.....

 

Thx.

post #9188 of 17946
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

OK-I know this has been addressed ad nausea, but I am still curious.

 

I listen to a lot of aggressive rock, metal and punk. But, I also like classical, jazz, folk, new age and electronic ambient.

 

I have Grados which I adore for my heavy rock oriented music.

 

If I wanted to look at something for non rock genres particularly biased toward larger sound stage for symphonic music which is an area Grados are notoriously lacking, is the HE 500 the slam dunk better choice over the 400?

 

I will be going to a meet next month, but thought I'd pose the question.....

 

Thx.

I think the HE400 does symphonic music exceptionally well, handles it very easily. Don't think the HE500 will be a slam dunk better than the HE400 in anything. Apart from songs that have too much treble maybe.

post #9189 of 17946

Personally I found the soundstage of the HE's quite natural in the beginning, but as of now I see it has shortcomings, especially in depth and the earlier discussed centerstage.

post #9190 of 17946
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

I think the HE400 does symphonic music exceptionally well, handles it very easily. Don't think the HE500 will be a slam dunk better than the HE400 in anything. Apart from songs that have too much treble maybe.

OK-thanks....I've been reading all the teble posts. Naturally, with my Grados I'm used to some brighter sounds....and I would not mind saving $300 on the purchase price! From what I've been reading, I think I'm going to enjoy the base on the 400, also.

post #9191 of 17946
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post

OK-thanks....I've been reading all the teble posts. Naturally, with my Grados I'm used to some brighter sounds....and I would not mind saving $300 on the purchase price! From what I've been reading, I think I'm going to enjoy the base on the 400, also.

Correct me if I'm wrong but symphonic music or classic, usually doesn't have a lot of treble and is mostly midrange based right?

So that's why, the seperation can shine, because there is absolutely no treble issue. Do try them first though!

post #9192 of 17946
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Correct me if I'm wrong but symphonic music or classic, usually doesn't have a lot of treble and is mostly midrange based right?

So that's why, the seperation can shine, because there is absolutely no treble issue. Do try them first though!

OK-makes sense. To be clear, I don't listen to that much classical, but do like some symphonic music, soundtracks, orchestral jazz, new age, etc. And, would like a second set of cans to compliment my Grados for anything and everything that is not in face over driven guitar rock which tends to be what I listen to the majority of the time.

post #9193 of 17946

I don't think HE-400 would be the best phone for classical stuff.

 

It's been a while already, but I remember David Solomon speaking very highly of the Beyer DT660 for classical music. Never heard it myself, but for those who are on a low budget, maybe it's worth a try.

 

This is the thread, by the way: http://www.head-fi.org/t/559542/i-truly-believe-these-are-one-of-the-best-classical-music-headphones-ive-ever-heard

post #9194 of 17946

Always this talk about how well a headphone works with a certain genre...

I think a good headphone should work well with every genre. If it's actually bad with a genre, the headphone is bad (imo).

post #9195 of 17946

Eh I think people'll enjoy HE400 with classical music; it has most of the attributes (high dynamics, high detail extraction especially from treble, tactile bass, extremely open and clear-sounding) needed.

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