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post #9121 of 20642

Yeah I actually had written a lot more about the O2 but I thought id get flamed for saying it.

 

Sure, I can see how its I guess tonality neutral, and pretty transparent. But it really doesn't make me feel like my music is changed at all, it simply increases the volume IMHO. Where as the E17 I thought altered my sound a bit, and i enjoyed that.

 

Side note, I think we should have an HE-5xx Appreciation Thread, I'll spam that like there's no tommorrow, thanks to Wje, I don't think I need any more headphones :D

post #9122 of 20642
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Originally Posted by DutchGFX View Post

Yeah I actually had written a lot more about the O2 but I thought id get flamed for saying it.

 

Sure, I can see how its I guess tonality neutral, and pretty transparent. But it really doesn't make me feel like my music is changed at all, it simply increases the volume IMHO. Where as the E17 I thought altered my sound a bit, and i enjoyed that.

 

Side note, I think we should have an HE-5xx Appreciation Thread, I'll spam that like there's no tommorrow, thanks to Wje, I don't think I need any more headphones :D

Amplifier: : one that amplifies; specifically : an electronic device (as in a stereo system) for amplifying voltage, current, or power

 

From the Merriam Webster.

 

It sounds to me like your O2 is working just fine then wink.gif

 

I won't flame you, but I won't entertain the idea that amps are like 'instruments' or are properly used to 'tune' your listening experience either. I assume that would offend engineers (even if marketers love the concept). Any amp that doesn't "simply increase volume" is basically flawed, distorted, and/or introducing a variable into an electronic chain that doesn't need to be there in the 21st century. 

 

Given the variability of recordings and also headphones, I'll never get why an amp should also screw with the final sound. That said, to each their own. I wish I had $700 bucks for the HE-500 so I could given them a listen. I am sure the tamer sound would be awesome under certain listening conditions.

post #9123 of 20642

There's a flaw in the argument of 'this amp simply increases the volume of the headphone and thus is working fine.'

 

How do you absolutely know how the headphone is supposed to sound in the first place?  Everything is relative in this hobby, there are no absolutes.  You can only compare the E17 to the O2.  You can't just say the O2 simply raises the volume without altering the sound while the E17 colors it.  You also simply can't throw out measurements of ruler flat frequency responses and THD numbers well below the hearing threshold, because almost every amp has measurements like that, yet they sound different.

post #9124 of 20642
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 You also simply can't throw out measurements of ruler flat frequency responses and THD numbers well below the hearing threshold, because almost every amp has measurements like that, yet they sound different.

They sound different to some people, and only with some headphones. Doesn't mean that they do sound different in reality.

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There's a flaw in the argument of 'this amp simply increases the volume of the headphone and thus is working fine.'

 

How do you absolutely know how the headphone is supposed to sound in the first place?  Everything is relative in this hobby, there are no absolutes.  You can only compare the E17 to the O2.  You can't just say the O2 simply raises the volume without altering the sound while the E17 colors it.  You also simply can't throw out measurements of ruler flat frequency responses and THD numbers well below the hearing threshold, because almost every amp has measurements like that, yet they sound different.


There are absolutes, and also standards, tolerances, and 'industry best practices'. Only marketers believe in infinite 'relativity'. I believe in a certain 'individuality' in listening preferences and so on, but don't bother myself believing that any speaker should have a known sound quality beforehand. I do know that 'flatter' usually = better sound no matter what I am listening to. So that is one 'spec' I look for. A little different for phones' but I am just making a point.

 

The first issue with an E17 and O2 comparison is the former is a DAC/Amp, while the latter is just an amp. An amp is an intermediary in the signal chain, not a source or an endpoint. A good amp can be made to sound bad given some conditions, but no bad amp can be made to sound good. The O2/ODAC is the only amp setup I've ever owned that is totally black, high gain or not. If you've owned bad amps, you should be pissed and frustrated about the noise / sound quality issues that cannot be helped. That will never be musical to me. You wouldn't play a guitar with missing strings would you? Likewise all amps might 'sound different' because of differences in power, THD, output impedance, and so on. There are factors that can influence performance that may or may not be perceptible. I do believe in 'warm' and 'cold' sound, but that is about it.

 

The second issue is asserting that all amps 'measure well' but still 'sound different'. That would be sort of like claiming that 'all republicans are the same' and then adding that 'none agree on anything'. It is grouping based on a narrow distinction but followed by a statement that undermines the original position. Either something is the same or it is not, and if not, the differences need to be explained. Given that they are likely subjective, only blind testing could determine if the difference were real or percieved. Since people trust their senses (I don't), they hate being proven wrong! To defuse anger, I would suggest you stage a blind test of certain foods. Lots of people think they have a refined palate, but would flunk a taste test of apples, wine, or whatever. You only think you know.

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^^ Probably true. But his bashing of me will seem minuscule compared to what I get everyday from my wife. wink.gif


Well, all I can say is I feel really sorry for you.

post #9127 of 20642

How about the HRT products? The new MicroStreamer looks pretty cool.

post #9128 of 20642
Please kindly comment: Do the HE-400s feel heavy when you wear them? Are they comfortable on a big head? Thanks!
post #9129 of 20642
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Originally Posted by zzffnn View Post

Please kindly comment: Do the HE-400s feel heavy when you wear them? Are they comfortable on a big head? Thanks!

 

This obviously differs between people, but for me they feel comfortable yes, but I wouldn't say my head is big. If you find they clamp too much you can bend the headband as it's reshapeable.

post #9130 of 20642
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I don't find the treble to be harsh at all.  The only "flaw" I've ever found with the HE-400's is:  I've found a few songs where I wish the vocals were more upfront.  Otherwise, I love them.  I might eventually try the HE-500's but I've never been happier with a headphone than I am with the HE-400's.  I like them so much, I sold the other 3 phones I had because the HE-400 were all I was listening to.

This is my opinion as well. I don't find the treble painful at all but the vocals always seem a good bit distant. 

post #9131 of 20642

First impressions (just got em in the mail) with my MnM stack. Vocals seem greatly pronounced, as my only comparison in the price range is the M-100. Very clear, steady bass (it feels light just because I boost bass on my v-modas for NYC mobile use), separation is impressive. We'll see with burn-in but I'm already loving it. Thankfully they aren't too far removed from M-100 sound that my brain has to adjust too much. I just may have reached the climax of my audio purchases for a very long while.

post #9132 of 20642
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Please kindly comment: Do the HE-400s feel heavy when you wear them? Are they comfortable on a big head? Thanks!


I find them mostly comfortable. Primarily, the headband screws up my hair and can get painful with prolonged wear. But I have a strange head, and I could always try to add more padding.

post #9133 of 20642
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Originally Posted by zzffnn View Post

Please kindly comment: Do the HE-400s feel heavy when you wear them? Are they comfortable on a big head? Thanks!

 

They definitely felt heavy to me at first, since I was used to mainly plastic headphones (see the ones in my signature). You get used to it after a bit. Also, if you use the velour pads, it supposedly adds 35g to the weight.

 

I have a fairly wide/large head compared to most people. I definitely needed to stretch the headband, or the HE400's would be clamping on the sides of my head too strongly after some use. Don't be afraid to bend them and hold them there for a little bit (I just bent and held it there for 5-10 seconds at a time) so you can change the shape of the headband; the headband is pretty strong.

 

Also, if I experience any discomfort, it's because of the cups clamping, and not because of the headband. It distributes pressure pretty well as long as you stretch it according to your head. 


Edited by Luic - 3/29/13 at 3:25pm
post #9134 of 20642
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I found they accentuated any distortions on a track. I hope the HE 500's aren't like that.

The HE-500 are surprisingly forgiving thinking about their level of refinement and detail

post #9135 of 20642
If I'm enjoying my HE-400s but want something more comfortable, should I audition the HD650?
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