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post #8971 of 18339
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Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post

Currently using Audinst HUD MX1 + AKG Q701. Can't decide whether to invest into HE-400. My Q701s are a bit bass shy and a tad bit bright so I was hoping HE-400 would fix that but looks like many people consider HE-400 harsh, sibiliant, and tizzy which is not a good trait for a 400$ pair of headphones. Any truth to that? Perhaps HD650 will be a better investment.

I'd say HE400 is tizzy (things sound more sparkly than natural, emphasis in upper treble), but not sibilant ("ssss", emphasis in low ~ mid-treble) or harsh (usually due to uneven peaks in treble,rather than a particular band of emphasis). If you can't tolerate treble energy then HD650 will indeed be a better investment.

post #8972 of 18339
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

K702 Anniversary is a better investment. Warmer, and more bassy than the Q701. Trust me. You can also just contact AKG and ask for some K702 Anniversary memory foam pads which will essentially do the same to the Q701. The pads alter the sound for more bass, wadmth, and smoothness. The K702 Anniversary is the most balanced headphone I have ever heard, while still having a nice amount of bass.

The HD650 is a solid choice too, but the Annie is technically superior, more spacious, and more evened out, including the treble, IMHO.

 

Can you compare the bass / treble of the Annies to the HE-400?

 

I love the bass in the HE-400 but I think the treble is still too high even after previous saying it doesn't seem as fatiguing anymore. Starting to get more ringing in the right side of my ear; more than what was normal yesterday. Usually the ringing is more prominent in the left rather than the right. The ones I have are the cloudy white version rather than the yellow/brownish one.


Edited by AyeVeeN - 3/23/13 at 10:24pm
post #8973 of 18339
The HE400 has better bass, but tbh, the Annie has some pretty damn good, balanced bass. Yes, my complaint in the Q701 was the bass, which is definitely fixed on the Annie. The treble is quite smooth on the Annie compared to the HE400. The Annie is just a lot more balanced than the HE400. Like comparing a balanced can to a v-shaped one. They are a bit different.

Ive directly compared the Annie to two different LCD2s, and the Annie holds it's own and exceeds the LCD2 is certain areas, like treble clarity, soundstage, and airiness.

The Annie to ME is the only headphone I've heard where I can say, there isn't one flaw. That is, unless you want a basshead can.

If anything, the Annie is more comparable in tonal balance to the HE500, though I haven't heard it. Just going off graphs and impressions.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/23/13 at 10:32pm
post #8974 of 18339
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

The HE400 has better bass, but tbh, the Annie has some pretty damn good, balanced bass. Yes, my complaint in the Q701 was the bass, which is definitely fixed on the Annie. The treble is quite smooth on the Annie compared to the HE400. The Annie is just a lot more balanced than the HE400. Like comparing a balanced can to a v-shaped one. They are a bit different.

Ive directly compared the Annie to two different LCD2s, and the Annie holds it's own and exceeds the LCD2 is certain areas, like treble clarity, soundstage, and airiness.

The Annie to ME is the only headphone I've heard where I can say, there isn't one flaw. That is, unless you want a basshead can.

Here's something I'm curious about: with all these headphones you've auditioned and bought and returned and bought again, why have you not looked into HE500? It hits the spot in every way for me, especially with the pad mods (but of course even without pad mods it is nigh flawless).

post #8975 of 18339

I think that might literally be the first post of yours I've heard a mention of pad modifications without jerg in it.  :P

 

 

I'm actually kinda wondering why you don't get HE-500 either.

post #8976 of 18339
I was worried about the weight. Now that I've had a chance to feel a heavy headphone, I DO want the HE500, and was considering getting them as a secondary, but I feel they might be too similar to the LCD2.
post #8977 of 18339

Isn't that what you wanted though?  Something similar to the LCD2 but with more air?  You might read malveaux's comparison of the two when he got the lcd2 from the loaner program.

 

Then again your wanting the leather lcd2 now is just another layer to the madness in your name.

post #8978 of 18339
Well, I think it will be a LOT like the vegan LCD2 which to me has unquestionably more air, soundstage, and treble than the leather. I think it will probably be just like the vegan LCD2 with a hint
less bass. The vegan LCD2 is amazing, but I miss the wall of sound of the leathers. I love the 'in your face mids' and extra warmth. I also prefer the smoother treble, as there are times the vegan lcd2 is a bit too sizzly for me.

The leather is definitely not without flaws, but it has a sound signature I crave.

I'll be getting it at the end of the week, and compare directly with the vegan. If they are as different as I believe they are, the HE500 may find its way to my doorstep. Besides I need something with velour. wink.gif

It's that or the X1, which after Tyll's review and graphs, is looking to be what I've always wanted, but I'm afraid of it's headband size.
post #8979 of 18339
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post

I think that might literally be the first post of yours I've heard a mention of pad modifications without jerg in it.  :P

 

 

I think I've done enough "selling" of the earpad mod that most owners here automatically associate the terms "hifiman" and "earpad mod" with Jergpads now. beerchug.gif

post #8980 of 18339
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

I think I've done enough "selling" of the earpad mod that most owners here automatically associate the terms "hifiman" and "earpad mod" with Jergpads now. beerchug.gif

+ 1.... I was seriously considering doing the Jergpad mod to my J$ pads before I realized the latter was a mod as well...I have ordered a bunch of pleathers ...since I have two left hands, I will probably achieve success on my 3rd trybiggrin.gif

post #8981 of 18339
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

I'd say HE400 is tizzy (things sound more sparkly than natural, emphasis in upper treble), but not sibilant ("ssss", emphasis in low ~ mid-treble) or harsh (usually due to uneven peaks in treble,rather than a particular band of emphasis). If you can't tolerate treble energy then HD650 will indeed be a better investment.

 

For the sake of not mis-leading others, I'll have to say this is something I don't 100% concur with.  If one listens to female vocalists, the HE-400 really shows a weakness in this area.  I was content with the HE-400s for nearly a year.  That was until I started to bring in more female vocals into my music listening.  It was at that point where I realized the HE-400 was not going to work for me, even though I really liked what it did in the other areas.

 

The reality is, HifiMAN could probably fix the tuning slightly to remove some of the edge where the sibilants are present.  However, if they were to do that, they would or could potentially hurt their other higher priced offerings.  People would find that the $400 HE-400 would do everything right for them, and they'd put the extra money into a better amp.

 

Both the HE-5LE and the HE-500, are clean in that treble region where the sibilants could be heard on all of the female vocals in my music.  I'm not using an EQ setting to taper that range at this point in time.  I tried 3 to 4 amps and 3 to 4 DACs with the HE-400s in my testing of amps / DACs in order to decide on one.  In each test, the HE-400 just couldn't be tamed where it sizzled a bit.  Even with my Sennheiser HD-600, I can hear a bit of the sibilants.  Not major, but tolerable, and only about 1/5th the amount of what I heard on the HE-400s.

 

For someone who chooses to listen to other music where female vocals are not present, the HE-400 represents a very outstanding value.  Again, a very outstanding value ... save for the female vocal issues.


Edited by wje - 3/24/13 at 1:10am
post #8982 of 18339
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Originally Posted by wje View Post

 

For the sake of not mis-leading others, I'll have to say this is something I don't 100% concur with.  If one listens to female vocalists, the HE-400 really shows a weakness in this area.  I was content with the HE-400s for nearly a year.  That was until I started to bring in more female vocals into my music listening.  It was at that point where I realized the HE-400 was not going to work for me, even though I really liked what it did in the other areas.

 

The reality is, HifiMAN could probably fix the tuning slightly to remove some of the edge where the sibilants are present.  However, if they were to do that, they would or could potentially hurt their other higher priced offerings.  People would find that the $400 HE-400 would do everything right for them, and they'd put the extra money into a better amp.

 

Both the HE-5LE and the HE-500, are clean in that treble region where the sibilants could be heard on all of the female vocals in my music.  I'm not using an EQ setting to taper that range at this point in time.  I tried 3 to 4 amps and 3 to 4 DACs with the HE-400s in my testing of amps / DACs in order to decide on one.  In each test, the HE-400 just couldn't be tamed where it sizzled a bit.  Even with my Sennheiser HD-600, I can hear a bit of the sibilants.  Not major, but tolerable, and only about 1/5th the amount of what I heard on the HE-400s.

 

For someone who chooses to listen to other music where female vocals are not present, the HE-400 represents a very outstanding value.  Again, a very outstanding value ... save for the female vocal issues.

Thanks for the reply. What other headphone would you suggest that has good bass extension but doesn't sound bright \ cold \ sibilant \ harsh? I'm a little concerned with HD600\650 build quality and the fact that I'll probably have to fork over some more cash on an amp.


Edited by Bogatyr - 3/24/13 at 1:53am
post #8983 of 18339
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Originally Posted by DutchGFX View Post

Wasnt very impressed with these. I really wanted to love them, but the treble region just, isn't there. It sounds like its missing when compared to my Q701. Well, off the the He-5Le lol.

What now ?? :s 

 

Too little treble? You sir, need to see an audiologist, you probably have severe ear impairment.

post #8984 of 18339
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Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post

Thanks for the reply. What other headphone would you suggest that has good bass extension but doesn't sound bright \ cold \ sibilant \ harsh? I'm a little concerned with HD600\650 build quality and the fact that I'll probably have to fork over some more cash on an amp.

I think saving up for the HE-500 would be a good plan :s

It's expensive but I think it's all you really need from a headphone. EQ-ing and mods help the HE-400, and it's recessed mids, and elevated treble. But having a pretty much perfect headphone straight from the box would be pretty mint. I really can't think of any other headphone, maybe that akg k702 anniversary edition... 

post #8985 of 18339
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post

Thanks for the reply. What other headphone would you suggest that has good bass extension but doesn't sound bright \ cold \ sibilant \ harsh? I'm a little concerned with HD600\650 build quality and the fact that I'll probably have to fork over some more cash on an amp.

 

Consider:

 

*lcd2

 

*Maddogs

 

*hd650

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